What land did God promise National Israel?

[WilliamL]

On 1/10/2025 at 6:08 PM, Luther said:

Well then if you are a Christian then you are taking God's promises for you and giving them to someone else not born of God. 

Romans 11:28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 

 

Did the nation of Israel ever have a calling of God? Of course it did. What you are doing is "taking God's promises" to the nation of Israel respecting the Holy Land and giving them to the Church. But Christ's New Covenant promises no such thing. The gifts and calling of God to the physical nation of Israel He will eventually fulfill, else He would be a covenant breaker.

 

Ezekiel 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have compassion upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name; 26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid. 27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations; 28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I will have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them there [among the heathen] any more. 29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I shall have have poured out my Spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

 

Ezekiel 20:33 “As I live,” says the Lord GOD, “surely with a mighty hand, with an outstretched arm, and with fury poured out, I will rule over you. 34 “I will bring you out from the peoples and gather you out of the countries where you are scattered, with a mighty hand, with an outstretched arm, and with fury poured out. 35 “And I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there I will plead My case with you face to face. 36 “Just as I pleaded My case with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will plead My case with you,” says the Lord GOD. 37 “I will make you pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant."

 

[WilliamL]

On 1/11/2025 at 1:33 PM, Luther said:

And I repeat, all of these prophetic statements refer to one nation, one holy priesthood that inherits eternal life through Jesus Christ. That's what ALL the land of Israel or Canaan is about. This is allegorical language of a heavenly place. Not a literal future land grab. 

Jeremiah 33:23 Moreover the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, saying, 24 “Have you not considered what these people have spoken, saying, ‘The two families [mentioned in verse 22: "the seed of David My servant and the Levites who minister to Me"] which the LORD has chosen, He has also cast them off’? Thus they have despised My people, as if they should no more be a nation before them.

-- These despisers include all who teach Replacement Theology. Notice that the Levitical Priesthood mentioned here by the Lord is an entirely different priesthood that the Melchizedek Priesthood of the Church.

[Luther]

On 1/13/2025 at 11:18 AM, AdHoc said:

O.K. Suppose  I agree that because God's Words are spirit and life we are to allegorize them. What then is the meaning, the true meaning, of the above passage?

It's about having the mind of Christ,  a result of His mercy. It's about a deep interest in God's plan for His people. When I study I look for the spiritual relationship that goes beyond this world. That's why I have a negative view on this so called " Judeo - Christian alliance". We have nothing in common with those people, especially what they are doing over there. Our only "alliance" should be with other brothers and sisters in Christ.

[AdHoc]

4 hours ago, Luther said:

It's about having the mind of Christ,  a result of His mercy. It's about a deep interest in God's plan for His people. When I study I look for the spiritual relationship that goes beyond this world. That's why I have a negative view on this so called " Judeo - Christian alliance". We have nothing in common with those people, especially what they are doing over there. Our only "alliance" should be with other brothers and sisters in Christ.

Now we get closer. We (those born of the Spirit - Jn.3:6) are a completely different company to those born of the flesh. Actually, there are THREE companies of men on earth. And it is God Himself Who wants them separate.
1. All men were "IN" Adam. Noah survived the flood so we can trace those IN Noah from Adam to the Nations at Babel and further.
2. Then God chose one man of the Nation of Syria and entered into Covenant with him. Via Isaac and Jacob we have te Nation of Israel. God gives this Nation Promises and the Law. They are to be separate from other Nations.
3. Then, taking men form OUT OF the Nations and the Nation of Israel, God counts their past to be wiped and through a new and heavenly birth, not of the flesh but the Holy Spirit, and calls them a New Creature having no past (2nd Cor.5:17, Eph.2:15). This New Man has neither Jew nor Gentile (Gal.3:28, Col.3:11). It is left in the world to display Christ, be salt and light in the proximity of the Nations but not conform to them, their morals nor their philosophy.

Each has a destiny. New Jerusalem, we can both agree, is four things and therefore must be taken metaphorically. It is a Bride, a City of glory, a City of rule and God's Tabernacle. It's dimensions are that of God's People in resurrection. It is constituted with the materials of the Church (see 1st Cor.3) except that silver, the redemptive elements for a woman (30 pcs.) changes. It was Bdellium in Eden, was silver from Adam to the Rapture and now is Pearl. Be that as it may, te important thing is that the Bible ends with these THREE COMPANIES on a New Earth. One Company is ruling, Israel is serving, and the Nations are divided into those allowed to visit the City and those forever banned.

Each of the THREE Companies has a distinct status and privileges. That is, the Church has distinct attributes, Israel has her attributes and the Nations, who d not have eternal life need the "leaves" to be healed. For the Church, who has eternal life, rule, and their portion is the FRUIT. Israel is fully restored but forfeit the Kingdom.

So, Israel has a distinct future, but vastly different from ours.

P.S. If you are short of time and/or energy, don't bother to read this. But it might clear up a problem. By divorcing Hebrews 7:12 from its context, and not reading accurately, many teachers teach that Christ is New High Priest to Israel. This is not the case. What verse 12 says is that IF there was a change of Priesthood, it would need a change of Law. But there is no change of Priesthood. Christ is High Priest of of the HEAVENLY TABERNACLE not made with Hands and Israel retains the Levites. The Levitical Priesthood is an "everlasting Priesthood" (Ex.40:15). It cannot be changed.

What does change is the line from Aaron. It went to Zadok from Eli for what Phineas did in Numbers 25 when Israel went a whoring. That's why you find Zadok in the millennial  priesthood. But the Levites remain priests for Israel. Here's Hebrews 7 for a check;

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life (Heb.7:11–16).

Now, in the Millennium Israel's job is to check the Nations who come up to Jerusalem for uncleanness before they have audience with Emmanuel. This does not change in New Jerusalem.

[Luther]

On 1/13/2025 at 2:47 PM, WilliamL said:

Romans 11:28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 

 

Did the nation of Israel ever have a calling of God? Of course it did. What you are doing is "taking God's promises" to the nation of Israel respecting the Holy Land and giving them to the Church. But Christ's New Covenant promises no such thing. The gifts and calling of God to the physical nation of Israel He will eventually fulfill, else He would be a covenant breaker.

 

Ezekiel 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have compassion upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name; 26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid. 27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations; 28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I will have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them there [among the heathen] any more. 29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I shall have have poured out my Spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

 

Ezekiel 20:33 “As I live,” says the Lord GOD, “surely with a mighty hand, with an outstretched arm, and with fury poured out, I will rule over you. 34 “I will bring you out from the peoples and gather you out of the countries where you are scattered, with a mighty hand, with an outstretched arm, and with fury poured out. 35 “And I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there I will plead My case with you face to face. 36 “Just as I pleaded My case with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will plead My case with you,” says the Lord GOD. 37 “I will make you pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant."

 

You said: "The gifts and calling of God to the physical nation of Israel He will eventually fulfill, else He would be a covenant breaker."

Genesis 15:18-21

In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

[19]The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,

[20]And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,

[21]And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

Joshua 21:43-45

And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.

[44]And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.

[45]There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

I study with a Bible that does not have commentary. I believe it's better that way. Just you and God's Word. Most of today's study Bibles are patterned after the Cyrus Scofield edition over 100 years ago, containing commentary with the intent of deceiving future pastors and congregations with a narrative to accommodate anti- Christ in the last days. Christians are to be tarrying until the Lord comes. He gives us no further instructions beyond that. In other words, we are to be looking for Christ's appearing, not focusing on a nation of people as if they have the keys to your salvation. It's actually disgusting how the deception worked. I know they're happy about it. 

Anyway I digress. All promises that God made to national Israel were fulfilled, because HE SAID IT FROM HIS WORD. 

...........................................

Now the future promises of eternal inheritance ( eternal life) are for those who belong to Christ. This is why He came. Not to fulfill any other covenant but the NEW one. 

 

[Luther]

On 1/13/2025 at 3:17 PM, WilliamL said:

Jeremiah 33:23 Moreover the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, saying, 24 “Have you not considered what these people have spoken, saying, ‘The two families [mentioned in verse 22: "the seed of David My servant and the Levites who minister to Me"] which the LORD has chosen, He has also cast them off’? Thus they have despised My people, as if they should no more be a nation before them.

-- These despisers include all who teach Replacement Theology. Notice that the Levitical Priesthood mentioned here by the Lord is an entirely different priesthood that the Melchizedek Priesthood of the Church.

Ok. I'm going to give you an illustration of fulfillment theology ( nothing's been replaced, I never ascribed to that thought pattern):

Isaiah 8:14

And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

Exodus 19:3-6

And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;

[4]Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

[5]Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

[6]And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

( Compare with):

1 Peter 2:6-10

Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

[7]Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

[8]And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

[9]But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

[10]Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Now did Christians steal the promise of being a " holy nation" from national Israel?

No. Israel did not obey the voice of the Lord or follow His commandments in order to keep His covenant. 

Matthew 21:42-43

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

[43]Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Please, can you give me your feedback? 

[Luther]

2 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Now we get closer. We (those born of the Spirit - Jn.3:6) are a completely different company to those born of the flesh. Actually, there are THREE companies of men on earth. And it is God Himself Who wants them separate.
1. All men were "IN" Adam. Noah survived the flood so we can trace those IN Noah from Adam to the Nations at Babel and further.
2. Then God chose one man of the Nation of Syria and entered into Covenant with him. Via Isaac and Jacob we have te Nation of Israel. God gives this Nation Promises and the Law. They are to be separate from other Nations.
3. Then, taking men form OUT OF the Nations and the Nation of Israel, God counts their past to be wiped and through a new and heavenly birth, not of the flesh but the Holy Spirit, and calls them a New Creature having no past (2nd Cor.5:17, Eph.2:15). This New Man has neither Jew nor Gentile (Gal.3:28, Col.3:11). It is left in the world to display Christ, be salt and light in the proximity of the Nations but not conform to them, their morals nor their philosophy.

Each has a destiny. New Jerusalem, we can both agree, is four things and therefore must be taken metaphorically. It is a Bride, a City of glory, a City of rule and God's Tabernacle. It's dimensions are that of God's People in resurrection. It is constituted with the materials of the Church (see 1st Cor.3) except that silver, the redemptive elements for a woman (30 pcs.) changes. It was Bdellium in Eden, was silver from Adam to the Rapture and now is Pearl. Be that as it may, te important thing is that the Bible ends with these THREE COMPANIES on a New Earth. One Company is ruling, Israel is serving, and the Nations are divided into those allowed to visit the City and those forever banned.

Each of the THREE Companies has a distinct status and privileges. That is, the Church has distinct attributes, Israel has her attributes and the Nations, who d not have eternal life need the "leaves" to be healed. For the Church, who has eternal life, rule, and their portion is the FRUIT. Israel is fully restored but forfeit the Kingdom.

So, Israel has a distinct future, but vastly different from ours.

P.S. If you are short of time and/or energy, don't bother to read this. But it might clear up a problem. By divorcing Hebrews 7:12 from its context, and not reading accurately, many teachers teach that Christ is New High Priest to Israel. This is not the case. What verse 12 says is that IF there was a change of Priesthood, it would need a change of Law. But there is no change of Priesthood. Christ is High Priest of of the HEAVENLY TABERNACLE not made with Hands and Israel retains the Levites. The Levitical Priesthood is an "everlasting Priesthood" (Ex.40:15). It cannot be changed.

What does change is the line from Aaron. It went to Zadok from Eli for what Phineas did in Numbers 25 when Israel went a whoring. That's why you find Zadok in the millennial  priesthood. But the Levites remain priests for Israel. Here's Hebrews 7 for a check;

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life (Heb.7:11–16).

Now, in the Millennium Israel's job is to check the Nations who come up to Jerusalem for uncleanness before they have audience with Emmanuel. This does not change in New Jerusalem.

I'm going to check this out tomorrow. Thank you for sending it!

[AdHoc]

12 hours ago, Luther said:

You said: "The gifts and calling of God to the physical nation of Israel He will eventually fulfill, else He would be a covenant breaker."

Genesis 15:18-21

In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

[19]The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,

[20]And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,

[21]And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

Joshua 21:43-45

And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.

[44]And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.

[45]There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

I study with a Bible that does not have commentary. I believe it's better that way. Just you and God's Word. Most of today's study Bibles are patterned after the Cyrus Scofield edition over 100 years ago, containing commentary with the intent of deceiving future pastors and congregations with a narrative to accommodate anti- Christ in the last days. Christians are to be tarrying until the Lord comes. He gives us no further instructions beyond that. In other words, we are to be looking for Christ's appearing, not focusing on a nation of people as if they have the keys to your salvation. It's actually disgusting how the deception worked. I know they're happy about it. 

Anyway I digress. All promises that God made to national Israel were fulfilled, because HE SAID IT FROM HIS WORD. 

...........................................

Now the future promises of eternal inheritance ( eternal life) are for those who belong to Christ. This is why He came. Not to fulfill any other covenant but the NEW one. 

 

 

12 hours ago, Luther said:

Ok. I'm going to give you an illustration of fulfillment theology ( nothing's been replaced, I never ascribed to that thought pattern):

Isaiah 8:14

And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

Exodus 19:3-6

And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;

[4]Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

[5]Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

[6]And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

( Compare with):

1 Peter 2:6-10

Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

[7]Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

[8]And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

[9]But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

[10]Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Now did Christians steal the promise of being a " holy nation" from national Israel?

No. Israel did not obey the voice of the Lord or follow His commandments in order to keep His covenant. 

Matthew 21:42-43

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

[43]Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Please, can you give me your feedback? 

May I butt in.

Your thinking is good an logical and you have brought a good example. Because of this, "Replacement Theology" must be just a carefully defined. Generally, Replacement Theology means that Israel, having rejected Messiah, are finished and God now turns to the Church to fulfill His plan and promises. The problem with this theory is that taken to its logical end, God is found having having said "Israel" but meant the Church. This gets critical when we come to the Covenants for neither Covenant made with Israel requires belief in Messiah. The Covenant of Promise given to Abraham and his seed requires only circumcision, and the Covenant of Sinai, made with Israel via Moses, requires the keeping of 615 odd laws, statutes and ordinances.

The resistance to Israel's future has more to do wit the current Christian Theology of going to heaven or hell. This does not leave room for God to solve the problem with Israel's disobedience. Then, to compound the error, and this comes from the best Bible institutes, students of the Bible gave the wrong meaning to "dispensation". They gave the Greek word "oikonomia" as a PERIOD when God deals a certain way. But when the right meaning is proposed, this evokes offense in the intellect of men who like things to be in a straight line. They revolt a the thought of God dealing with three groups of men differently at the same time. But God does not have a problem with this.

Ask yourself, if God dealt with men according to conscience and then introduces Law as His way of dealing with men, He has to impose Law on ALL men. But He did not. Law formed the terms of men of ISRAEL ONLY. Likewise, the Covenant of Promise was made with Abraham and HIS SEED ONLY. That means, however you look at it, that God was dealing with two groups of men DIFFERENTLY a the same time. Romans 2 confirms that this parallel "oikonomia" will remain till the judgment seat. Now, if we introduce a new "oikonomia", let's call it 'grace', and Israel refuse it, we have a situation where SOME men are under the dealing of conscience, SOME men are under the dealing of Law, and the REST are under the dealing of Grace.

To cope with this intellectually is not difficult. But the doctrine of heaven and hell defies it. If we can explain God's plan from Genesis 1 and 2 and see its fruition in Revelation 21 and 22, the whole Bible with THREE companies of men fits. I won't write more except to say that you have the answer in the very example you brought. Is Jesus a "Foundation" or is He a "Cornerstone". He is BOTH. In matters pertaining to the Church He is the foundation because the whole structure stems from Him. But in matters of the Kingdom on earth God includes Israel for multiple reasons, of which I will give one only for brevity.

I ask, if the Church is the house of God and it is a "Spiritual House" because God is a Spirit (Jn.4:24), where will Emmanuel live when He returns to Earth? Jesus is a Man. He is physical. Will he live worse than the foxes when He returns in glory? No. The glory of One greater than Solomon will be on earth and at His Name every Knee will bow. He will live in Jerusalem and His House will be a physical House. Zechariah 14 confirms this and so does Isaiah 2. So we will have TWO Houses of God on earth and the third entity - the Nations need to be RULED and they need Israel to manage their visits - a city and a temple.

Thus, TWO different sets of priests are needed. One set serve the House in Jerusalem and the other set serve to bring the Nations to God at home in their lands.

I'm not saying this problem will be sorted in your mind in a day. I'm also not defending C. I. Scofield. I make no boxes to put things in. I'm saying that the opposition to Christ being a High Priest AT THE SAME TIME as resurrected Zadok or even Aaron, is because the Woman of Matthew 13 "Leavened" the whole. Let us examine the doctrine of heaven and hell and ask ourselves, on what scriptures is this vital and crucial doctrine built upon - because it is the overthrow of all God's Covenants. The Church is not mentioned in the Old Testament. How could the prophets have known the truth about something that God hid from them? John 14 is used to show heaven by prominent Pastors, but NEVER, in the whole Bible is "The Father's House" heaven. It is ALWAYS either the Tabernacle, The Temple, Christ's Body, and/or the Church. How could the best scholars in the world miss that?

How could the best Greek students not note that in John 14 Jesus used the PRESENT TENSE. "You will be (future) where I AM (present tense). He certainly wasn't in heaven as He said that. Verses 10-11 and 20-23 give the answer. The opening Chapter of John is about Bethel - the House of God. And the ladder was set up ON EARTH.

[Luther]

2 hours ago, AdHoc said:

 

May I butt in.

Your thinking is good an logical and you have brought a good example. Because of this, "Replacement Theology" must be just a carefully defined. Generally, Replacement Theology means that Israel, having rejected Messiah, are finished and God now turns to the Church to fulfill His plan and promises. The problem with this theory is that taken to its logical end, God is found having having said "Israel" but meant the Church. This gets critical when we come to the Covenants for neither Covenant made with Israel requires belief in Messiah. The Covenant of Promise given to Abraham and his seed requires only circumcision, and the Covenant of Sinai, made with Israel via Moses, requires the keeping of 615 odd laws, statutes and ordinances.

The resistance to Israel's future has more to do wit the current Christian Theology of going to heaven or hell. This does not leave room for God to solve the problem with Israel's disobedience. Then, to compound the error, and this comes from the best Bible institutes, students of the Bible gave the wrong meaning to "dispensation". They gave the Greek word "oikonomia" as a PERIOD when God deals a certain way. But when the right meaning is proposed, this evokes offense in the intellect of men who like things to be in a straight line. They revolt a the thought of God dealing with three groups of men differently at the same time. But God does not have a problem with this.

Ask yourself, if God dealt with men according to conscience and then introduces Law as His way of dealing with men, He has to impose Law on ALL men. But He did not. Law formed the terms of men of ISRAEL ONLY. Likewise, the Covenant of Promise was made with Abraham and HIS SEED ONLY. That means, however you look at it, that God was dealing with two groups of men DIFFERENTLY a the same time. Romans 2 confirms that this parallel "oikonomia" will remain till the judgment seat. Now, if we introduce a new "oikonomia", let's call it 'grace', and Israel refuse it, we have a situation where SOME men are under the dealing of conscience, SOME men are under the dealing of Law, and the REST are under the dealing of Grace.

To cope with this intellectually is not difficult. But the doctrine of heaven and hell defies it. If we can explain God's plan from Genesis 1 and 2 and see its fruition in Revelation 21 and 22, the whole Bible with THREE companies of men fits. I won't write more except to say that you have the answer in the very example you brought. Is Jesus a "Foundation" or is He a "Cornerstone". He is BOTH. In matters pertaining to the Church He is the foundation because the whole structure stems from Him. But in matters of the Kingdom on earth God includes Israel for multiple reasons, of which I will give one only for brevity.

I ask, if the Church is the house of God and it is a "Spiritual House" because God is a Spirit (Jn.4:24), where will Emmanuel live when He returns to Earth? Jesus is a Man. He is physical. Will he live worse than the foxes when He returns in glory? No. The glory of One greater than Solomon will be on earth and at His Name every Knee will bow. He will live in Jerusalem and His House will be a physical House. Zechariah 14 confirms this and so does Isaiah 2. So we will have TWO Houses of God on earth and the third entity - the Nations need to be RULED and they need Israel to manage their visits - a city and a temple.

Thus, TWO different sets of priests are needed. One set serve the House in Jerusalem and the other set serve to bring the Nations to God at home in their lands.

I'm not saying this problem will be sorted in your mind in a day. I'm also not defending C. I. Scofield. I make no boxes to put things in. I'm saying that the opposition to Christ being a High Priest AT THE SAME TIME as resurrected Zadok or even Aaron, is because the Woman of Matthew 13 "Leavened" the whole. Let us examine the doctrine of heaven and hell and ask ourselves, on what scriptures is this vital and crucial doctrine built upon - because it is the overthrow of all God's Covenants. The Church is not mentioned in the Old Testament. How could the prophets have known the truth about something that God hid from them? John 14 is used to show heaven by prominent Pastors, but NEVER, in the whole Bible is "The Father's House" heaven. It is ALWAYS either the Tabernacle, The Temple, Christ's Body, and/or the Church. How could the best scholars in the world miss that?

How could the best Greek students not note that in John 14 Jesus used the PRESENT TENSE. "You will be (future) where I AM (present tense). He certainly wasn't in heaven as He said that. Verses 10-11 and 20-23 give the answer. The opening Chapter of John is about Bethel - the House of God. And the ladder was set up ON EARTH.

You said: "Generally, Replacement Theology means that Israel, having rejected Messiah, are finished and God now turns to the Church to fulfill His plan and promises. " 

Correct. And no one in church history (until the last hundred years perhaps) referred to the accepted teaching as  "replacement ". That's relatively new language. 

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3 hours ago, Luther said:

You said: "Generally, Replacement Theology means that Israel, having rejected Messiah, are finished and God now turns to the Church to fulfill His plan and promises. " 

Correct. And no one in church history (until the last hundred years perhaps) referred to the accepted teaching as  "replacement ". That's relatively new language. 

I'm not sure what your objection is. It seems like Church history is your authority. I'm here to discuss the Bible. But if you want Church historians to decide I say this;

The major proponent of Replacement Theology is the Roman Catholic Church. It is the natural road one takes when you believe that the promised Kingdom is either already here, or is about to appear. So let me see.
1. The Lord Jesus was presented by John Baptist while he taught the Kingdom is at hand and that ISRAEL must repent (Act.13:24).
2. The Lord Jesus preached this same repentance (Act.5:31)
3. Peter addressed the crowd in Acts 2; "Ye men of Israel"
4. Paul, a self-confessed Israelite, persecuted the Church
5. David is to be raised up to rule Israel (Jer.30:9)
...and so on.

So either the Bible made a mistake, or Israel is very real then, now and future.

After building a case in Romans that all men are taken under sin, Paul spends THREE Chapters on Israel's recovery (Chapter 9, 10 and 11). There can be no mistake because the natural branches are CONTRASTED with the wild branches. And in the famous Galatians 6:16, learned men misread the verse. It is "... AND upon the Israel of God:"

The word "AND" is a conjunction. It is cumulative, copulative and sequential. That means that there are at least TWO different entities mentioned. 1. Those who walk according to the new creature, AND 2. the Israel of God. Israel is alive and well. But infallible is Ezekiel 37 for it does not consider any of the present men who call themselves Israelites. It addresses the DEAD of Israel. They will be raised and bound together ... "the whole House of Israel" (v.11).

The evidence seems overwhelming. Both Israel and the Church exist separately and Israel has a National FUTURE alongside the Church. The Nations are a fact of daily life. Thus, far from the saved and the lost as Christianity teaches, we have, well-documented, THREE peoples found throughout the New Testament whose destiny is ON EARTH.