Smart meters, lithium batteries, and L.A. fires (?)

[nebula]

This is a claim being shared. I was wondering if anyone had insights, or able to find information on this. (I found confirmation on lithium batteries being in smart meters, that overheated lithium batteries will explode, and a security cam video inside a house showing such an explosion - looks like a bomb went off. I have not found anything on the copper wiring.) There is a video I found showing claimed evidence I will post on the video forum to go with this.

Claim:

Smart meters have lithium ion batteries. When these batteries catch fire they have what's called "thermal runaway" where they will go from 140 degrees Fahrenheit to 6000 degrees Fahrenheit in just a few seconds. The smart meter is connected to the copper wiring of the home which is designed to travel electricity due to its conductivity. Along with being conductive, the copper wires are also great at heat transfer via convection.

So when the...fires hit neighborhoods but burn more homes than trees, the culprit in the unusual fire forensics looks to be the lithium ion batteries. It's no wonder these homes are burned to dust while trees are standing within feet of the houses. These homes are burning from the inside out, literally. The copper wires in the homes are insulated and carrying extreme heat to every corner of the home....

[The_Patriot21]

Well, it's true they have lithium batteries. And that when they ignite they do burn hot.

However there's a couple things to realize. First they're not all going to just spontaneously combust. The fire has to be there to begin with.

Second, yes they have them but they're not all that big. Maybe 2 inches by 1 inch. And they're just there if the power goes out, they're not even used. So yes if they were to ignite, they will burn hot, but not very long. I would suspect it would have little to no effect in a fire of this nature. It will flare up, cause the fire to burn hotter around the meter for a little while, but when the lithium runs out, which it will relatively quickly, it will go back to just wood and drywall burning.

As far as houses burning on not trees...

Laughable claim. Now don't get me wrong, there is indeed examples of this happening in these fires, and conspiracy theories have taken them and run. While ignoring the thousands of neighborhoods that have burned to the ground with not a single thing standing. 

Fact is, fire does weird things. And the biggest contributer to a uncontrollable fire is actually humidity level. If the environment is super dry, like less then 5% humidity, if a fire gets out of control it can literally be impossible to put out, until it runs out of fuel.

And a fire like this, also burns fast. Houses are all made from dead materials. Wood, metal, etc. plants, like trees, are alive and have water flowing through them. So it's not beyond the realm of possibility that a fast moving fire in an arid environment will leave things like trees relatively unscathed, because it's moved on before that tree could catch.

It's not even unheard of in a straight up forest fires. I've walked through fresh burn sites in the forest, it's really really weird to be walking around seeing nothing but ash and burned trees and finding 2 or 3 live and untouched trees in the very middle of the burn area. Really makes you do a double take. But it does happen.

 

[nebula]

41 minutes ago, The_Patriot21 said:

Well, it's true they have lithium batteries. And that when they ignite they do burn hot.

However there's a couple things to realize. First they're not all going to just spontaneously combust. The fire has to be there to begin with.

No one claimed spontaneous combustion, and the fire being there to begin with is a given. 

You know how many destructive house fires I have seen where significant structure still remained? They didn't look like a bomb had taken the house out like we see in L.A.

 

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Second, yes they have them but they're not all that big. Maybe 2 inches by 1 inch. And they're just there if the power goes out, they're not even used. So yes if they were to ignite, they will burn hot, but not very long. I would suspect it would have little to no effect in a fire of this nature. It will flare up, cause the fire to burn hotter around the meter for a little while, but when the lithium runs out, which it will relatively quickly, it will go back to just wood and drywall burning.

While I was looking things up on lithium batteries and house fires, I saw a news clip showing a lithium battery fire explosion. It was like a bomb going off. (Go to YouTube and search: 'Expert: Lithium batteries may carry fire risks' from Fox 13 Seattle).

Doesn't matter how short lived the lithium fire is if the high-heat fire caught other things in the house on fire.

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As far as houses burning on not trees...

Laughable claim. Now don't get me wrong, there is indeed examples of this happening in these fires, and conspiracy theories have taken them and run. While ignoring the thousands of neighborhoods that have burned to the ground with not a single thing standing. 

Fact is, fire does weird things. And the biggest contributer to a uncontrollable fire is actually humidity level. If the environment is super dry, like less then 5% humidity, if a fire gets out of control it can literally be impossible to put out, until it runs out of fuel.

And a fire like this, also burns fast. Houses are all made from dead materials. Wood, metal, etc. plants, like trees, are alive and have water flowing through them. So it's not beyond the realm of possibility that a fast moving fire in an arid environment will leave things like trees relatively unscathed, because it's moved on before that tree could catch.

It's not even unheard of in a straight up forest fires. I've walked through fresh burn sites in the forest, it's really really weird to be walking around seeing nothing but ash and burned trees and finding 2 or 3 live and untouched trees in the very middle of the burn area. Really makes you do a double take. But it does happen.

 

I get that. But after seeing the video of the explosion, it makes one consider the possibility of the batteries exasperating the destruction.

 

And I still don't know about the copper wires.

[ladypeartree]

I know I refuse ti have a smart meter in my home as there are daily news reports here of them overcharging people by hundreds of pounds , catching fir and exploding , having to be changed every time you change your supplier ,,, not worth the risk

[The_Patriot21]

25 minutes ago, nebula said:

No one claimed spontaneous combustion, and the fire being there to begin with is a given. 

You know how many destructive house fires I have seen where significant structure still remained? They didn't look like a bomb had taken the house out like we see in L.A.

 

While I was looking things up on lithium batteries and house fires, I saw a news clip showing a lithium battery fire explosion. It was like a bomb going off. (Go to YouTube and search: 'Expert: Lithium batteries may carry fire risks' from Fox 13 Seattle).

Doesn't matter how short lived the lithium fire is if the high-heat fire caught other things in the house on fire.

I get that. But after seeing the video of the explosion, it makes one consider the possibility of the batteries exasperating the destruction.

 

And I still don't know about the copper wires.

Yes, a lot of structure fires do indeed leave structure behind. And you want to know something else? A huge amount of them have smart meters with lithium batteries. A huge amount of them. 

Do lithium batteries explode? Absolutely. But does a 2 inch battery have enough explosive damage to level a house? Absolutely not. That's absurd. And even if they did, with a fire this size, the house will be destroyed just as thoroughly without it.

And copper wires? I'm sorry I'm having a hard time not laughing. You know what exists in every single home in the country, and has been ever since electricity became a thing? Copper wires. It's in my house. It's in your house. 

Common copper wire is 12 gauge. Trust me it gets that hot, it doesnt work the way you think it does-if it gets that hot it will just melt. 

And you know what else? That lithium battery isn't even hooked to your homes electric system. It doesn't power your house. At all. All that it does, is supply power to your meter during a power outage. 

You know what's not absurd? A huge fire, burning thousands upon thousands of acres, in a acrid environment, burning extremely hot. That's the key difference between this and a normal structure fire. It's the key difference that you, and other conspiracy theorists are flat out ignoring. 

Why? Because it doesn't match up with your theory, and it doesn't like up with the originators agenda 

I've come to the conclusion that a lot of these conspiracy theorists who originate these wildly insane ideas, don't even believe them themselves. They just know if they make such a claim, that people will believe them, which will lead to fame, money and power. Stop believing them.

Or at least question them with the same zeal you question the authorities.

[nebula]

1 hour ago, The_Patriot21 said:

 

Or at least question them with the same zeal you question the authorities.

I was asking a QUESTION.

Please look back at the question mark in the title. Please look at what I said initially in the OP. " I was wondering if anyone had insights, or able to find information on this."

I WAS QUESTIONING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please respond in a manner reflecting that of a question being asked. 

A mocking, deriding, and accusing attitude and words are unhelpful. In fact, they're inflammatory. Please stop.

[The_Patriot21]

18 minutes ago, nebula said:

I was asking a QUESTION.

Please look back at the question mark in the title. Please look at what I said initially in the OP. " I was wondering if anyone had insights, or able to find information on this."

I WAS QUESTIONING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please respond in a manner reflecting that of a question being asked. 

A mocking, deriding, and accusing attitude and words are unhelpful. In fact, they're inflammatory. Please stop.

See here's the thing. You asked a question. I gave you an answer to your question. I literally provided you with insights into it, which is what you claim you want.

You then proceeded to argue with me and pretty much tell me I'm wrong.

Fact is you were not asking to gain insights, you were asking because you believe it's some sort of mass conspiracy, one that is being pushed by conservatives all over social media, and your angry, because I provided the insight you asked for and it doesn't line up with your agenda.

Don't get me wrong, you have a right to believe what you want. You have a right to present it. You have a right to believe in wrong. 

But, doing all of this and then becoming angry when I poke holes in them, claiming innocence, doesn't work. It's pretty easy to see right through that story.

And telling you to question the conservative conspiracy news sources that your getting this from as strongly as you do the mainstream media is hardly inflammatory or accusatory, it's something everyone should do-question everything. 

[nebula]

18 minutes ago, The_Patriot21 said:

See here's the thing. You asked a question. I gave you an answer to your question. I literally provided you with insights into it, which is what you claim you want.

You then proceeded to argue with me and pretty much tell me I'm wrong.

Fact is you were not asking to gain insights,...

That is an incorrect assumption, sir.

It appeared to me the angle with which you responded was a different angle from which I was reading into the issue, and I was expressing such. 

Perhaps I should have said, thank you for responding, but what your response was claiming things contrary to what I asked. 

Did you look to see the video I mentioned, showing a lithium battery exploding? 

[other one]

4 hours ago, nebula said:

This is a claim being shared. I was wondering if anyone had insights, or able to find information on this. (I found confirmation on lithium batteries being in smart meters, that overheated lithium batteries will explode, and a security cam video inside a house showing such an explosion - looks like a bomb went off. I have not found anything on the copper wiring.) There is a video I found showing claimed evidence I will post on the video forum to go with this.

Claim:

Smart meters have lithium ion batteries. When these batteries catch fire they have what's called "thermal runaway" where they will go from 140 degrees Fahrenheit to 6000 degrees Fahrenheit in just a few seconds. The smart meter is connected to the copper wiring of the home which is designed to travel electricity due to its conductivity. Along with being conductive, the copper wires are also great at heat transfer via convection.

So when the...fires hit neighborhoods but burn more homes than trees, the culprit in the unusual fire forensics looks to be the lithium ion batteries. It's no wonder these homes are burned to dust while trees are standing within feet of the houses. These homes are burning from the inside out, literally. The copper wires in the homes are insulated and carrying extreme heat to every corner of the home....

Neb, there are small lithium batteries in smart meters and they can catch fire if they are shorted out. However if they got that hot the meter would explod outward and any heat would disapate in seconds. As for heating the copper wiring, it would melt inside the conduit before it got to the breaker box.  This idea would be physically impossible as to setting the house on fire.

As for the trees not burning, in fires of this nature really weird things can happen.  When the wind hits 90 mph, and the humidity has been really low, you can not stop a fire like this until it runs out of fuel. With embers like these they can blow bloks away to spread the fire. If the fuel has been left to burn, it's too late once it starts

[nebula]

1 hour ago, other one said:

Neb, there are small lithium batteries in smart meters and they can catch fire if they are shorted out. However if they got that hot the meter would explod outward and any heat would disapate in seconds. As for heating the copper wiring, it would melt inside the conduit before it got to the breaker box.  This idea would be physically impossible as to setting the house on fire.

As for the trees not burning, in fires of this nature really weird things can happen.  When the wind hits 90 mph, and the humidity has been really low, you can not stop a fire like this until it runs out of fuel. With embers like these they can blow bloks away to spread the fire. If the fuel has been left to burn, it's too late once it starts

Thanks. So the explosion goes outward, not all over and blowing a hole in the wall?

About the copper wiring, is what you are saying, basically, that copper has a lowish melting point with regards to the fire?

Edited January 12 by nebula