The purpose of the Millennium

[enoob57]

17 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Of when?  

exactly... as matter was created so the space time matter continuum started...

[DeighAnn]

19 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

The statement: "And the earth was formless and void", is simply stating that in the creative process, in the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, God created the earth without form and empty, meaning there was no life in it. 

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How is DARKNESS upon the face of the deep WHILE GOD is creating it?   GOD is light and darkness in Him there is none...


made

"Usage: The Hebrew verb "asah" is a versatile term that broadly means "to do" or "to make." It is used in various contexts throughout the Old Testament, signifying actions ranging from creating and fashioning to executing and performing. The word encompasses both physical creation and the execution of plans or commands. It is often used to describe God's creative acts, human actions, and the fulfillment of commandments or duties."


 

[DeighAnn]

14 hours ago, AdHoc said:

But what is telling in 2nd Peter 3 is that the earth is indicated as having been covered TWICE. In verse 5 the earth stood (1) OUT of water and then (2) IN water. This is called, in verse 6, the world "THAT THEN WAS" was "overflowed". This led to the world THE NOW IS waiting for FIRE

Here a little, there a little...  

I agree with you here, I'm pleased to say. I almost remember when I realized that 2 Pet 2 deals with the 2nd flood (Noahs) and 2 Pet 3 that first 'flood' you are speaking to here. 

Another eye and ear opening as to the when that 'in the beginning' was speaking to was in Job 38 with the sons of God watching the earth being created.   It was after that, that the rest started coming into focus...  Then they all started really adding up and now like you, there is no going back. 

 

[BornAgain490]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

How is DARKNESS upon the face of the deep WHILE GOD is creating it?   GOD is light and darkness in Him there is none...

You've answered your own question.  

What God has revealed to us as "darkness upon the face of the deep" is NOT a description of God, but of the beginning of God's creation. 

[BornAgain490]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Of when?  


In Job 38, we see the GOD creating the earth, and we are told

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

How is it 'that beginning' ISN'T previous to 'the beginning' you are speaking to?  

Where does it say anywhere in scripture there were two beginnings?

Where does it say in scripture that there were two floods that destroyed all life, save Noah? 

Where does it say in scripture that God did not create the "sons of God" of Job at the very moment in the beginning when He created the heavens and the earth? 

[AdHoc]

10 hours ago, lrs68 said:

Grace is the act of God hanging on the Cross so we don't have to spend eternity separated from God.   Grace is not a license to get away with things or a condition to escape instant judgement.   Even under a firm law and order Christ's sacrifice remains the same as it did before the foundation of the world.  I disagree that Grace is a dispensation because the Mercy of God we read about in the Tanakh still applies today.

I agree with you in principle. Grace is not a dispensation. From the animal skins for Adam and Eve onward, we have grace. What is decisive though is that God is 100% righteous. That means that He will react to ALL offenses - either directly with retribution or with the Substitute System. But somebody pays.

It's not the theme of the thread, so just take it as an unrelated point of View. The matter of the Triune God is beyond human intellect. The dual nature of Jesus also pushes man to His limits. I know that Jesus was, at the same time, God and Man. But the Bible dos not promote the idea of God on the cross. E.g. Hebrews 2;

 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

In His capacity as Man He took the form of men - lower than the angels - for the suffering of death. In His capacity as offspring of the Holy Spirit He was sinless - but still a Man. John's gospel confirms His deity but the matter of the cross is solely for a Man. God cannot die, and God cannot be cursed by hanging on a Tree. Only a MAN could die for another man's sins.

[BornAgain490]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Says the laws of nature.

So you're calling God a liar?  God did not make the sun stand still the whole day?

 

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

God IS able, I agree, but that doesn't make room for us to 'make void' what is clearly written. 

Clearly written?  Where is it clearly written that God created the earth, then destroyed the earth with a flood, killing all life on it, then recreated the earth from that which He destroyed, then flooded the earth again in Noah's day?  The Bible does not say any of that.  

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth formless and empty. 

God Himself tells us that male and female were created at the beginning of creation. (Matthew 19:4; Mark 10:6). The first six days of creation is the beginning.  There is no gap. 

[AdHoc]

9 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

Where does it say anywhere in scripture there were two beginnings?

Where does it say in scripture that there were two floods that destroyed all life, save Noah? 

Where does it say in scripture that God did not create the "sons of God" of Job at the very moment in the beginning when He created the heavens and the earth? 

This is a strange way to argue. We all know that the Bible is written a special way - to explain itself. Where does it say that @BornAgain490 is a born again Christian? It doesn't. But we all are led to believe tat you have believed in Jesus and confessed it with your mouth. If we are correct by putting together your statements, should w annul your conversion because it does not say so in the Bible? If our Lord Jesus is the "Root of David" (Rev.5) it is normal to believe that our Lord PRECEDED David. We also do not reject a statement that Jesus is the Offspring of David, which means that David PRECEDED Him. Logical? No. True? YES! Is the bible logical? YES! but to make David BOTH needs an additional bit of information from somewhere else in the Bible. But that scripture will not be related to David.

You are no novice. You know that.

[AdHoc]

5 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

So you're calling God a liar?

There's no need for this. We're adults with differing opinions. If you want to vent, by all means do it with me. @DeighAnn doesn't deserve this.

[BornAgain490]

6 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

This is a strange way to argue. We all know that the Bible is written a special way - to explain itself. Where does it say that @BornAgain490 is a born again Christian? It doesn't. But we all are led to believe tat you have believed in Jesus and confessed it with your mouth. If we are correct by putting together your statements, should w annul your conversion because it does not say so in the Bible? If our Lord Jesus is the "Root of David" (Rev.5) it is normal to believe that our Lord PRECEDED David. We also do not reject a statement that Jesus is the Offspring of David, which means that David PRECEDED Him. Logical? No. True? YES! Is the bible logical? YES! but to make David BOTH needs an additional bit of information from somewhere else in the Bible. But that scripture will not be related to David.

You are no novice. You know that.

It is clear and unambiguous from scripture that Jesus both preceded David and was the offspring of David. Just as it is clear and unambiguous from scripture that there are three eternal persons in the Godhead. 

Making bold claims that Scripture clearly supports a flood after creation that destroyed a pre-Adamic lifeform requires more than conjecture and assumptions based on private interpretation: it requires clear and unambiguous scripture.