South Africa, Israel and Trump

[AdHoc]

22 hours ago, Sower said:

You have been here a few days. You started this topic.
You posted a lot of words. But, what is your point?

What do you want to accomplish here? What is your agenda?
Can you make it plain? Are you trying to edify or bash our president.
Help us to understand.

A troublemaker plants seeds of strife;  Proverbs 16:28

You been doing a lot of sowing here.
Are you a troublemaker?  Show us it ain't so....

 

21 hours ago, walla299 said:

I notice you did not answer Sower's question. Would there be a reason for that?

 

 

6 hours ago, other one said:

Trouble???

Part of the deal that was made in 1994 with the end of Apartheid was a Parliamentary "Truth and Reconciliation Committee". The crimes under Apartheid were admitted publicly but were not punished. This was to start the new country without a civil war. The rhetoric of @towardseight is similar to that of a radical party EFF which wants all whites dead. Their leader is one Julius Malema if you want to research for yourself. As @towardseight does not respect the efforts at peace, and insists on calling fifth-generation white South African "Europeans" while condoning the taking of disputed lands by murder, I would consider him hostile on a Christian Forum.

If South Africa has filed a motion at a court that President Trump does not hold for legal, his duty is to use all within his power to protect the American citizens from pseudo courts of self made laws. So far its only been talk, but @towardseight knows about pulling the lions tail. Of course our friend likes such courts. They'll give USA away to the French or English.

[towardseight]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

Part of the deal that was made in 1994 with the end of Apartheid was a Parliamentary "Truth and Reconciliation Committee". The crimes under Apartheid were admitted publicly but were not punished. This was to start the new country without a civil war. The rhetoric of @towardseight is similar to that of a radical party EFF which wants all whites dead. Their leader is one Julius Malema if you want to research for yourself. As @towardseight does not respect the efforts at peace, and insists on calling fifth-generation white South African "Europeans" while condoning the taking of disputed lands by murder, I would consider him hostile on a Christian Forum.

If South Africa has filed a motion at a court that President Trump does not hold for legal, his duty is to use all within his power to protect the American citizens from pseudo courts of self made laws. So far its only been talk, but @towardseight knows about pulling the lions tail. Of course our friend likes such courts. They'll give USA away to the French or English.

I don't care about the Europeans in South Africa in the same way that Trump doesn't care about the Palestinians. In the same way that Trump wants to expel all Palestinians from Gaza, I support the black natives of South Africa to expel the Europeans. But you have a problem with me, not with Trump.

[Marston]

5 minutes ago, towardseight said:

I don't care about the Europeans in South Africa in the same way that Trump doesn't care about the Palestinians. In the same way that Trump wants to expel all Palestinians from Gaza, I support the black natives of South Africa to expel the Europeans. But you have a problem with me, not with Trump.

 

Do you support killing all of the white South Africans?

[Cyoder]

12 hours ago, towardseight said:

I don't care about the Europeans in South Africa in the same way that Trump doesn't care about the Palestinians. In the same way that Trump wants to expel all Palestinians from Gaza, I support the black natives of South Africa to expel the Europeans. But you have a problem with me, not with Trump.

Are you an American citizen?  Would you support the genocide of white Americans by the Native Americans? Should we all give out houses back? If you think so, you first.  

[A Freeman]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/02/boom-president-donald-j-trump-offers-resettlement-afrikaner/

[Cyoder]

On 2/11/2025 at 8:07 PM, towardseight said:

Who is messing with Mexico, Canada, Europe, South Africa, Palestine and Iran?

Canada and Mexico have allowed millions to walk across our borders bringing drugs, criminals and trafficking women and children.  Iran wants to kill all of us and Palestine started a war with Isreal.  Europe is hell bent on starting a war with Russia and South Africa is committing genocide.  I'm thinking they need to be "messed with".

[AdHoc]

13 hours ago, towardseight said:

I don't care about the Europeans in South Africa in the same way that Trump doesn't care about the Palestinians. In the same way that Trump wants to expel all Palestinians from Gaza, I support the black natives of South Africa to expel the Europeans. But you have a problem with me, not with Trump.

Okay. Good argument. You condemned white South Africans, white Israelis and Trump in your first posting. I countered that morally, the black South African is not perfect either. As our postings increased I realized that you are making your appeal in the wrong place. This is a Christian Forum and the basis of our Christianity is love for fellowman and forgiveness. I do not make these demands on you. The average man is allowed his feelings, and your loathing of whites has a reason. All I can say, that as a Central European Christian, I've given hospitality to men and women of many Nations. The Africans I've had in my house, mostly from Ghana and Kenya were nice people. I'm lucky I like them because 1. I can't change them, and 2. and some of them I judge to be more noble than I.

The whites in Africa have been there for a while. They feel at home. The whites from Africa I've met who have left Africa are homesick. The whites who live in Africa love, are patriotic and want things peaceful. You have a chance to show yourself bigger than them. If you judge South Africa to be yours, why not be big-hearted and welcome the Fifth-generation "Europeans" in your beautiful country. That is what makes a great man. One who can take some blows and still be generous.  That's what President Mandela did. After suffering, he extended his hand to his persecutors. That's also what made Jesus special. He hung on that cross with hate all around Him - and loved them.

President Trump took the oath of office. He is sworn to protect Americans. If he does not protect his people then he will be a traitor. You have got loyalties as well. They're legitimate. But what makes a man bigger than Trump? When he favors his enemy without causing loss to his people. Jesus sets the standard. Die for your friends - you might. But die for your enemies - that what Jesus did.

[towardseight]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

Okay. Good argument. You condemned white South Africans, white Israelis and Trump in your first posting. I countered that morally, the black South African is not perfect either. As our postings increased I realized that you are making your appeal in the wrong place. This is a Christian Forum and the basis of our Christianity is love for fellowman and forgiveness. I do not make these demands on you. The average man is allowed his feelings, and your loathing of whites has a reason. All I can say, that as a Central European Christian, I've given hospitality to men and women of many Nations. The Africans I've had in my house, mostly from Ghana and Kenya were nice people. I'm lucky I like them because 1. I can't change them, and 2. and some of them I judge to be more noble than I.

The whites in Africa have been there for a while. They feel at home. The whites from Africa I've met who have left Africa are homesick. The whites who live in Africa love, are patriotic and want things peaceful. You have a chance to show yourself bigger than them. If you judge South Africa to be yours, why not be big-hearted and welcome the Fifth-generation "Europeans" in your beautiful country. That is what makes a great man. One who can take some blows and still be generous.  That's what President Mandela did. After suffering, he extended his hand to his persecutors. That's also what made Jesus special. He hung on that cross with hate all around Him - and loved them.

President Trump took the oath of office. He is sworn to protect Americans. If he does not protect his people then he will be a traitor. You have got loyalties as well. They're legitimate. But what makes a man bigger than Trump? When he favors his enemy without causing loss to his people. Jesus sets the standard. Die for your friends - you might. But die for your enemies - that what Jesus did.

I'm not South African, so it doesn't affect me at all. I am not in a position to forgive. But the fact is that the Europeans are the invaders and not the South Africans. The fact is that the Europeans treated the natives of South Africa like dirt. And for that reason I am on the side of the South Africans. It is an injustice that the whites in South Africa own about 70% of the farmland. That should be reversed.

You are upset that I call the whites who live in South Africa Europeans but look at this picture. This picture is from the apartheid era. A white invader is sitting on a chair with the words “Europeans only” written on it. And here is another picture.

But the people of Palestine are not invaders like the Europeans from South Africa. Genetic data has proven that they are the descendants of the Canaanites and this proves that they are indigenous.

[towardseight]

Calvinists believe in the doctrine of unconditional election. This means that they believe that God has chosen only certain people to be saved, regardless of their deeds. I repeat: regardless of their deeds. Calvinists believe that they are these chosen ones. Moreover, Calvinists believe that wealth is a sign of being chosen.

Unconditional election - what does that remind you of? It is exactly the same as what Jews say about themselves. The Jews say that God has chosen them regardless of what they do and that God always loves them no matter what they do.

The Europeans who invaded South Africa were mostly Calvinists and the current president of the USA Donald Trump was born into a Calvinist family.

[Sower]

On 2/13/2025 at 12:02 PM, towardseight said:

the current president of the USA Donald Trump was born into a Calvinist family.

I couldn't find anything about that statement, 'Trump was born into a Calvinist family'

Could you give us your source, specifically, of where you found it...

Thanks.