South Africa, Israel and Trump

[towardseight]

37 minutes ago, Sower said:

I couldn't find anything about that statement, 'Trump was born into a Calvinist family'

Could you give us your source, specifically, of where you found it...

Thanks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_and_religion

Donald Trump was raised in his mother's Presbyterian faith

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6 hours ago, towardseight said:

I'm not South African, so it doesn't affect me at all. I am not in a position to forgive. But the fact is that the Europeans are the invaders and not the South Africans. The fact is that the Europeans treated the natives of South Africa like dirt. And for that reason I am on the side of the South Africans. It is an injustice that the whites in South Africa own about 70% of the farmland. That should be reversed.

You are upset that I call the whites who live in South Africa Europeans but look at this picture. This picture is from the apartheid era. A white invader is sitting on a chair with the words “Europeans only” written on it. And here is another picture.

But the people of Palestine are not invaders like the Europeans from South Africa. Genetic data has proven that they are the descendants of the Canaanites and this proves that they are indigenous.

 

5 hours ago, towardseight said:

Calvinists believe in the doctrine of unconditional election. This means that they believe that God has chosen only certain people to be saved, regardless of their deeds. I repeat: regardless of their deeds. Calvinists believe that they are these chosen ones. Moreover, Calvinists believe that wealth is a sign of being chosen.

Unconditional election - what does that remind you of? It is exactly the same as what Jews say about themselves. The Jews say that God has chosen them regardless of what they do and that God always loves them no matter what they do.

The Europeans who invaded South Africa were mostly Calvinists and the current president of the USA Donald Trump was born into a Calvinist family.

Your arguments above fail.

1. You are on the side of murderers because 75 years ago some of their ancestors were "treated like dirt". Thus you are no better than the "Europeans". Allied bomber command firebombed German cities with no industry, but full of old folk and children. Churchill, who ordered these attacks, was knighted. Why have you not spent your energy sorting that out.

2. You are on the side of murderers, which you condemn on the other side. Your moral standing is of a murderer when the black South Africans aspire to peace and a job. There is no war. The fight is against what every husband and father opposes - crime.

3. Calvinists are prone to shoot somebody stealing their cattle. So are Catholics and Muslims. Rustling was frowned upon in the USA with men hanging from trees. British missionaries taught African tribesmen, who allowed multiple wives, to divorce their extra wives. This, when the Bible says it is the putting away of wives that causes adultery, not the taking of wives. I dare say that if you lived in South Africa, you'd own a firearm. They average 27,000 murders a year, never mind the 4,000 plus farmers murdered since 1994 (Wikipedia)*. Is that your brand of justice?

The point is, you have joined those who have morals you condemn. And, by the way, you probably didn't mention it for tactical reasons, but in your OP you ONLY alluded to WHITE ISRAELIS. The dispersion among all nations produced many Israelis with dark skin. You conveniently forgot them in the murder plot of Mr. Trump.

* It is admitted by the South African government that they don't know the real figures. They further admit that the SAPF will not separate the murders from the general figures so they can't be indicators (bad for tourism). And the press is strangely silent. President Trump makes it his priority to protect the American from foreigners while the South Africa government opened its borders so that the average South Africans have no jobs. What a government!

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On 2/11/2025 at 8:02 PM, towardseight said:

Whites own about 70% of South Africa's farmland due to apartheid. The South African government wants to reverse this injustice. The fact that South Africans are hostile to Europeans should be somewhat understandable.

But is that really the reason why Trump is attacking South Africa? If so, why didn't he do this in his first term? Perhaps because at that time South Africa had not yet filed a case against Israel before the ICJ?

Number one, the "whites" are  South Africans, not Europeans.

Number two, racism is racism, no matter which way it is directed.

Number three, but what morality is murder of innocent people justifiable? Islam? Marxism?