Works/Fruit?

[O'Dannyboy]

[WEB]Acts 26:20

Edited November 5, 2004 by O'Dannyboy

[tsth]

Well, I haven't reread all of this, but I thought I'd bump it up, considering the current discussions lately. I thought you could revisit it with me.

The first 2 pages are well worth it....even if it was from a loooong time ago.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[tsth]

Since we shall be judged according to our works, we stand under the command to do the 'good work'.

[Vickilynn]

Shalom,

<sigh> Here we go again.

Island Rose's reply shows the answer from Scripture.

And for the record, these vast generalizations that the "church" isn't doing this and isn't doing that is ridiculous. The Church is the BODY, made up of INDIVIDUAL BELIEVERS. And, for the record, MY church as a whole isn't doing what the OP accuses the "church" of doing, but of course there are individuals everywhere, some are, some aren't. So any message goes out to the INDIVIDUAL BELIEVER for we each stand accountable for our actions, thoughts, words etc. Not as a church, but as an individual.

So, in answer to the question, the Bible says:

Here is my understanding of this..........

I see fruits as fruit of the Spirit:

22. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

23. meekness, self-control; against such there is no law. Galatians 5:22, 23

These are inward motivations or attitudes.

I see works as the outward manifestaions of this fruit.:

Even so let your light shine before men; that they may see your good works , and glorify your Father who is in heaven Matthew 5:16

IR :il:

[tsth]

Dear Vickilynn,

I'm curious, does this passage minister to you in any way? What is it that Jesus is conveying? Is He REALLY talking about "trees", or are there specifics in regard to the parable?

Luke 13:6 Then he told this parable: "A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. 7 So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, 'For three years now I've been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?' 8 "'Sir,' the man replied, 'leave it alone for one more year, and I'll dig around it and fertilize it. 9 If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.'"

Luke 3:7 John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance.

What does it mean? Or will you not be willing to consider it? Can you equally accept the teachings of this, as easily as you accept the teachings of faith? We should be able to receive the WHOLE counsel of God, shouldn't we?

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Vickilynn]

Or will you not be willing to consider it? Can you equally accept the teachings of this, as easily as you accept the teachings of faith? We should be able to receive the WHOLE counsel of God, shouldn't we?

Shalom Suzanne,

I'm happy to discuss Scripture with you, but look at your words. You have your mind made up and have falsely accused me. You want to talk Scriptures, then don't accuse me of not believing them before you even give me a chance to reply.

I have said COUNTLESS times (maybe you missed all my posts) that once we are saved, we are to walk in obedience.

I don't see any way that constitutes not receiving the whole counsel of G-d.

[tsth]

Good, so does that mean that I can continue to speak of the issue of works/obedience now, without controversy over salvation earned? But, rather that one can see that a saved person will have no problem with obedience?

In His Love,

Suzanne

[tsth]

Good Works And Obedience

Hebrews 10:24 and may we consider one another to provoke to love and to good works,

Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. 12 It teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13 while we wait for the blessed hope--the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

15 These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Vickilynn]

Good, so does that mean that I can continue to speak of the issue of works/obedience now, without controversy over salvation earned? But, rather that one can see that a saved person will have no problem with obedience?

Shalom Suzanne,

You can do whatever you want!

The point is, when you ask about SALVATION in your OP, you will get answers based the context of SALVATION. Then you get mad at the ones replying about SALVATION. Just take responsibility. If you didn't ask about SALVATION, the responses would not be in the context of SALVATION. See? It's simple. Just ask what you really want to ask. The only controversy is you getting upset that people are answering about SALVATION when in fact, that's what you asked.

And, BTW, if you ever really read any of my posts on the topics with an open mind, you'd see that from post 1, I said, that "Once we are saved we are responsible for walking in obedience." So, I don't really know why you have such a problem with that, but perhaps now you can get past it.

[tsth]

I think I've figured out what our delimma is Vickilynn.

It's not that I am saying works produce salvation, it's that you "aren't" willing to say that salvation without good works/fruit is really a "lost" person. Which is what I'm getting at. If you say you have faith, show me your faith with your works, because a faith without works is _________________?

Produce fruit worthy of repentance.

In His Love,

Suzanne