Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

[Desopixi Seilynam]

1 minute ago, truth7t7 said:

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God

What kingdom gets delivered up?

[Desopixi Seilynam]

"....Then comes the end, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God."

What kingdom gets delivered up?

 

And the likely response is that Christ is reigning now in the hearts of believers.
Referring to passages like "the kingdom of God is within you".

Ok, and so that kingdom ends?
It gets delivered up and then the real eternal kingdom begins? Yes?

Your ok with that, even in that view is a kingdom ending,
and another version beginning. But somehow the 1000 years doesn't make sense?

It does not make more sense that we all get tried by fire?
"on such the second death has no power" is written for a reason.

The kingdom gets literally delivered up, destroyed by fire,
because the ultimate kingdom is even there now on top of the sky,
waiting. And those already risen immortal will be able to survive the fire and enter the city that comes down.

[truth7t7]

55 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

And you skirt Zechariah 14:16-19.

In the final end there will be no more death, and no remaining non believers.

Zechariah 14:16 Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)

Zechariah 14:12KJV

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)

Zechariah 14:16KJV

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isaiah 4:3-4KJV

3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:

4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

Revelation 21:24-27KJV

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Edited April 22 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

37 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

"....Then comes the end, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God."

What kingdom gets delivered up?

 

And the likely response is that Christ is reigning now in the hearts of believers.
Referring to passages like "the kingdom of God is within you".

Ok, and so that kingdom ends?
It gets delivered up and then the real eternal kingdom begins? Yes?

Your ok with that, even in that view is a kingdom ending,
and another version beginning. But somehow the 1000 years doesn't make sense?

It does not make more sense that we all get tried by fire?
"on such the second death has no power" is written for a reason.

The kingdom gets literally delivered up, destroyed by fire,
because the ultimate kingdom is even there now on top of the sky,
waiting. And those already risen immortal will be able to survive the fire and enter the city that comes down.

Jesus rules and reigns until the last enemy death is destroyed, this takes place at the second coming and last day resurrection when mortal becomes immortal as "Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory", read it real slow its before your eyes

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 52-54KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

 

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Edited April 22 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

You have not addressed what I showed concerning Zephaniah.
You skip Revelation 20 completely in that last post.

My post is self explanatory no additional info needed, you claim the fire destruction only applies to Israel your claim is "100% False"

Zephaniah 3:8 clearly states "For All The Earth Shall Be Devoured With The Fire Of My Jealousy"

Zephaniah 3:8 & Revelation 20:8-9 is the same event in the Lord gathering the nation's and fire destruction 

Zephaniah 3:8KJV

8 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the Lord, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.

Revelation 20:8-9KJV

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

[luigi]

Isaiah 60:1-3, describes a great enlightening coming upon all believers in right, while all non believers in right transcend into a great darkness. The unjust unenlightened world will then need to go to the greatly enlightened for guidance.

I understand these verses to be describing the heaven that is currently within everyone becoming greatly manifest in the righteous upon the Lords Spiritual return; while the Lord who shall return as a thief shall remove heaven from the unrighteous, leaving them in darkness. There are other areas in the bible describing this event. Also in the Book of Enoch, a seven times great enlightening of the righteous is described, while the rest of the world goes into great darkness.

Isaiah 60:1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. 2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. 3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

 

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, luigi said:

Isaiah 60:1-3, describes a great enlightening coming upon all believers in right, while all non believers in right transcend into a great darkness. The unjust unenlightened world will then need to go to the greatly enlightened for guidance.

I understand these verses to be describing the heaven that is currently within everyone becoming greatly manifest in the righteous upon the Lords Spiritual return; while the Lord who shall return as a thief shall remove heaven from the unrighteous, leaving them in darkness. There are other areas in the bible describing this event. Also in the Book of Enoch, a seven times great enlightening of the righteous is described, while the rest of the world goes into great darkness.

Isaiah 60:1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. 2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. 3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

Isaiah 60:11-21 & Revelation 21:23-26 is the very same place, the "Eternal New Jerusalem", In The New Heaven And Earth

Isaiah 60:11 & 20-21KJV

11 Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought.

 

20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the Lord shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.

21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

Revelation 21:23-26KJV

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

Edited April 22 by truth7t7

[luigi]

13 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Isaiah 60:11-21 & Revelation 21:23-26 is the very same place, the "Eternal New Jerusalem", In The New Heaven And Earth

Isaiah 60:11 & 20-21KJV

11 Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought.

 

20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the Lord shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.

21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

Revelation 21:23-26KJV

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

With the nations who are in darkness paying homage to the greatly enlightened righteous in Isaiah 60:11; the time frame of this verse (including Isaiah 60:1-3) would then be describing the beginning of the millennium reign; whereas the eternal new Jerusalem in Revelation 21:23-26, according to Revelation 22:15 is at the end of the millennium reign, where the unrighteous are then forever without.

Revelation 22:15  For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

[truth7t7]

26 minutes ago, luigi said:

With the nations who are in darkness paying homage to the greatly enlightened righteous in Isaiah 60:11; the time frame of this verse (including Isaiah 60:1-3) would then be describing the beginning of the millennium reign; whereas the eternal new Jerusalem in Revelation 21:23-26, according to Revelation 22:15 is at the end of the millennium reign, where the unrighteous are then forever without.

Revelation 22:15  For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

There won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, it's a man made fairy tale found no place in scripture

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV

2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV

6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV

3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV

5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV

15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV

5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Edited April 22 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

39 minutes ago, luigi said:

With the nations who are in darkness paying homage to the greatly enlightened righteous in Isaiah 60:11; the time frame of this verse (including Isaiah 60:1-3) would then be describing the beginning of the millennium reign; whereas the eternal new Jerusalem in Revelation 21:23-26, according to Revelation 22:15 is at the end of the millennium reign, where the unrighteous are then forever without.

Revelation 22:15  For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Many just don't want to let go of their little pet 1,000 year kingdom on this earth that doesn't exist in scripture

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Edited April 22 by truth7t7