Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 3/12/2025 at 6:48 AM, Luther said:

No one is going anywhere....

 

Yes, no one is going anywhere, everything happens here.
In the very end, the city of heaven comes, down; Revelation 21:1-2.

A new sky and new land, [ Genesis 1:8, 10 ] not a new 'universe'.
The idea of a 'universe' with 'planets' is part of the deception.

The city of heaven, that is literally on top of the sky right now with streets of transparent gold,
comes down, as this sky and land melts and burns.

What results from the final destruction is a divine lava pit, the lake of fire,
and the heavenly city comes down over the pit, and a new sky formed around it.

When Christ returns He kindles some of the lake, and a literal lake of fire, a lake of lava,
somewhere around Jerusalem is the result.
During the 1000 years it will be required that people come to Jerusalem [ Zechariah 14 ]
and therefore required to see that lake.

During the 1000 years we saints are immortal, ruling over those that remain,
and rebuilding the ruins. It is one final chance for the remainder of humanity
to believe in the Messiah, and to live the peaceful way He desires.
There will be people on the islands and underground that survived. [ Revelation 6:15 ]
The Messiah destroys the armies gathered to fight Him, not the whole world: Revelation 19:14-21.
The whole world is destroyed after the 1000 years: Revelation 20:9-15.
 

"the rest of the dead lived not again until after the 1000 years" Revelation 20:5
That is not describing something spiritual, but rather physical.
And from the other scriptures given,

Luke 24:37-39, 1 Corinthians 15:22-23, 1 Thess 4:16-17

it is clear that the resurrections are physical not spiritual.

 

[Dennis1209]

Matthew 6:10 (KJV) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

[Luther]

8 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

 

Yes, no one is going anywhere, everything happens here.
In the very end, the city of heaven comes, down; Revelation 21:1-2.

A new sky and new land, [ Genesis 1:8, 10 ] not a new 'universe'.
The idea of a 'universe' with 'planets' is part of the deception.

The city of heaven, that is literally on top of the sky right now with streets of transparent gold,
comes down, as this sky and land melts and burns.

What results from the final destruction is a divine lava pit, the lake of fire,
and the heavenly city comes down over the pit, and a new sky formed around it.

When Christ returns He kindles some of the lake, and a literal lake of fire, a lake of lava,
somewhere around Jerusalem is the result.
During the 1000 years it will be required that people come to Jerusalem [ Zechariah 14 ]
and therefore required to see that lake.

During the 1000 years we saints are immortal, ruling over those that remain,
and rebuilding the ruins. It is one final chance for the remainder of humanity
to believe in the Messiah, and to live the peaceful way He desires.
There will be people on the islands and underground that survived. [ Revelation 6:15 ]
The Messiah destroys the armies gathered to fight Him, not the whole world: Revelation 19:14-21.
The whole world is destroyed after the 1000 years: Revelation 20:9-15.
 

"the rest of the dead lived not again until after the 1000 years" Revelation 20:5
That is not describing something spiritual, but rather physical.
And from the other scriptures given,

Luke 24:37-39, 1 Corinthians 15:22-23, 1 Thess 4:16-17

it is clear that the resurrections are physical not spiritual.

 

I agree with everything you are saying, except for the teaching of a " literal millennial kingdom on this sin- cursed earth". I am well aware that most christians will disagree with me.

PLEASE understand that I didn't wake up 2 days ago and reject what has been taught for approximately 200 years. 

My first conclusion on this doctrine  (about 25 years ago) was that in scripture everything ends on the LAST DAY when Jesus comes the second time " without sin unto salvation" ( Hebrews 9:28). The " rapture", fiery judgment and the resurrection of the just and the unjust.....same time. Then the "only" thing left is a glorious  " new heavens and a new earth".

Have to finish my thoughts on another post. 

 

[Edward429451]

On 3/6/2025 at 8:31 PM, Luther said:

Luke 17:20-21 KJV

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

[21] Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

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The kingdom of God is made up of Christians , symbolically "lively stones" and Jesus is the " living stone" ( 1 Peter 2: 3-5). We are " found in Him"  (Philippians 3:9) having the righteousness of God by His faith. We are reigning with our Lord right now           (2 Timothy 2:12, Revelation 5:10).

 As you can see, we are intimately associated with our Savior. We are what makes up His kingdom. 

Nowhere does God say He has two kingdoms, one for Christians and one for a future group of  people in a politically acquired state called Israel. No scripture like that exists. Anyone who believes that is following after a false doctrine. 

ONE KINGDOM. You must understand that the kingdom of God ( in Jesus Christ) has been in formation since the beginning of time, since men began " to call upon the name of the LORD "  (Genesis 4:26). 

The churches are being deceived by the children of the devil who want their own kingdom on this earth without Jesus Christ, the One they fear the most. They have gone to great lengths to steal the wonderful promises found in the OT regarding all in Christ, a temple being built by His "lively stones", and place themselves there....of course when all the Christians are " raptured". 

Psalm 2:6-7 KJV

Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

[7] I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Hebrews 1:5,8 KJV

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

[8] But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

( Jesus is only setting up ONE THRONE, in heaven)

Psalm 145:10-13 KJV

All thy works shall praise thee, O LORD; and thy saints shall bless thee.

[11] They shall speak of the glory of thy kingdom, and talk of thy power;

[12] To make known to the sons of men his mighty acts, and the glorious majesty of his kingdom.

[13] Thy kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and thy dominion endureth throughout all generations.

(There is one kingdom, for Christians, not of this world):

John 18:36 KJV

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

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If you are fighting for your kingdom to be set up on this earth, not only is there zero  Biblical support for that, it certainly would not be a kingdom from  God. If you are deceiving many to support you for that cause, that's even worse. 

Below is an excerpt from a book I highly recommend:

"The Bible: a literal futurist hermeneutic assessed

It has been shown that the development of a literal and futurist reading of Scripture and, in particular, the argument that Old Testament references to Israel apply to contemporary Jews and the State of Israel rather than the church, is directly attributable to Irving, Darby and those who attended the Albury and Powerscourt conferences of the 1820s and 1830s. These were given particular expression in Darby's dispensational scheme and then codified and accorded virtually canonical status in the Scofield Reference Bible. Sandeen observes that dis-pensationalism has 'a frozen biblical text in which every word was supported by the same weight of divine authority', 107 Clarence Bass goes further, insisting:

 

No part of historic Christian doctrine supports this radical distinction between church and kingdom. To be sure they are not identical; but Dispensationalism has added the idea that the kingdom was to be a restoration of Israel, not a consummation of the church."

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Consummation? Absolutely:

1 Corinthians 15:23-24 KJV

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

[24] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Everyone in Christ, who makes up the kingdom of God, becomes one with the Father. And that's the end of this world. No foolish talk of a continuation of another kingdom for others besides Christians. It is done. 

Acts 19:8 KJV

And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.

Can't you see? Paul went to the jews to get them out of the synagogues and into the kingdom of God ( body of Christ). Did he say to them, "Don't worry, Christ will set up a kingdom on this sin cursed earth so your future people who reject my Savior will have a thousand years to get right with Him?" 

Today is the day of salvation. 

Matthew 25:34 KJV

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Luke 22:29-30 KJV

And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; [30] That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

 

Oh, I see now. It seems I've been confused about a few scriptures. But I'm sure you can tell me what they really mean and where was my mistake.

Matthew 6:10

¹⁰ Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.../KJV

So His Kingdom doesn't come here? Or...was the author someplace else else when He wrote these words? I don't understand. 

Matthew 4:17

¹⁷ From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.../KJV

So can you tell me what "the Kingdom of heaven is at hand" really means because I have always thought that the kingdom of heaven is at hand, meant it is here as close as your hand. (That Jesus brought His Kingdom here) 

Please explain that for me because I dont want to be confused and wrong! 

 

[Locust]

2 hours ago, Edward429451 said:

 

Oh, I see now. It seems I've been confused about a few scriptures. But I'm sure you can tell me what they really mean and where was my mistake.

Matthew 6:10

¹⁰ Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.../KJV

So His Kingdom doesn't come here? Or...was the author someplace else else when He wrote these words? I don't understand. 

Matthew 4:17

¹⁷ From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.../KJV

So can you tell me what "the Kingdom of heaven is at hand" really means because I have always thought that the kingdom of heaven is at hand, meant it is here as close as your hand. (That Jesus brought His Kingdom here) 

Please explain that for me because I dont want to be confused and wrong! 

 

do you understand Jesus is the king of the kingdom ? he is the kingdom. a kingdom is a type of government 

[Luther]

1 hour ago, Edward429451 said:

 

Oh, I see now. It seems I've been confused about a few scriptures. But I'm sure you can tell me what they really mean and where was my mistake.

Matthew 6:10

¹⁰ Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.../KJV

So His Kingdom doesn't come here? Or...was the author someplace else else when He wrote these words? I don't understand. 

Matthew 4:17

¹⁷ From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.../KJV

So can you tell me what "the Kingdom of heaven is at hand" really means because I have always thought that the kingdom of heaven is at hand, meant it is here as close as your hand. (That Jesus brought His Kingdom here) 

Please explain that for me because I dont want to be confused and wrong! 

 

I think that if a person is expecting a physical kingdom to be set up in this current earth age ( before it is made new, with no sin), that's what they will want to see in scripture. 

The kingdom of God is made up of all born again believers. When someone becomes saved, they are born into or   "transfered " into  the kingdom of God:

Revelation 1:9 KJV

I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians 2:12 KJV

That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.

Colossians 1:13 KJV

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Romans 14:17 KJV

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

................................

So when Jesus comes we will be "delivered up " to the Father, where Christ's kingdom ( made up of His people) becomes eternal in the heavens. 

1 Corinthians 15:23-24 KJV

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

[24] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

I don't know how else I can say it. 

[Edward429451]

7 hours ago, Luther said:

I don't know how else I can say it. 

But I didnt ask you that. I asked you two questions about two verses and you seem to have ignored the questions...?

[Luther]

7 hours ago, Edward429451 said:

But I didnt ask you that. I asked you two questions about two verses and you seem to have ignored the questions...?

I'm sorry could you please ask the questions again? I thought I covered them. 

[abcdef]

16 hours ago, Luther said:

I think that if a person is expecting a physical kingdom to be set up in this current earth age ( before it is made new, with no sin), that's what they will want to see in scripture. 

The kingdom of God is made up of all born again believers. When someone becomes saved, they are born into or   "transfered " into  the kingdom of God:

Revelation 1:9 KJV

I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians 2:12 KJV

That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.

Colossians 1:13 KJV

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Romans 14:17 KJV

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

................................

So when Jesus comes we will be "delivered up " to the Father, where Christ's kingdom ( made up of His people) becomes eternal in the heavens. 

1 Corinthians 15:23-24 KJV

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

[24] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

I don't know how else I can say it. 

Since we are in the gospel kingdom of Israel that began on Pentecost and we are in the flesh now, are we in the "millennium" right now, Rev 20? 

Is the kingdom on planet earth past, present, or future?

What do you think?

[Edward429451]

20 hours ago, Edward429451 said:

 

Oh, I see now. It seems I've been confused about a few scriptures. But I'm sure you can tell me what they really mean and where was my mistake.

Matthew 6:10

¹⁰ Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.../KJV

So His Kingdom doesn't come here? Or...was the author someplace else else when He wrote these words? I don't understand. 

Matthew 4:17

¹⁷ From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.../KJV

So can you tell me what "the Kingdom of heaven is at hand" really means because I have always thought that the kingdom of heaven is at hand, meant it is here as close as your hand. (That Jesus brought His Kingdom here) 

Please explain that for me because I dont want to be confused and wrong! 

 

 

Those questions.