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10 hours ago, Alive said:

If this is accurate then you are stating that God 'reigns' inside every person.

Do you see where this leads us?

I Agree 100%


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5 hours ago, Locust said:

it is if that person does not get a resurrection. and it is if after receiving a resurrection is then found to be unworthy of continued life  

Shalom, @Locust.

LOL! 

Don't you see that there will be some who are resurrected PURPOSELY to be found "to be unworthy of continued life?"

Think long and hard about this last parable spoken before He entered Jerusalem for the final week:

Luke 19:11-27 (KJV)

11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. 12 He said therefore,

"A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. 13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them,

"'Occupy (Trade with this) till I come.'

14 "But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying,

"'We will not have THIS [man] to reign over us!'

Now, let's stop here a moment. WHO do you think these "citizens" are who don't want the Messiah of God to be King over them? Wouldn't they be the very scribes and Pharisees who would soon be killing Him? Now, consider the timing:

15 "And it came to pass, that WHEN HE WAS RETURNED, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying,

"'Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.'

17 "And he said unto him,

"'Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.'

18 "And the second came, saying,

"'Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.'

19 "And he said likewise to him,

"'Be thou also over five cities.'

20 "And another came, saying,

"'Lord, behold, [here is] thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: 21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.'

22 "And he saith unto him,

"'Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, [thou] wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow: 23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?'

24 "And he said unto them that stood by,

"'Take from him the pound, and give [it] to him that hath ten pounds.'

25 "(And they said unto him,

"'Lord, he hath ten pounds!')

"'26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. 27 But THOSE MINE ENEMIES, WHICH WOULD NOT THAT I SHOULD REIGN OVER THEM, BRING HITHER, AND SLAY [THEM] BEFORE ME!' "

So, He brings them to Himself to be SLAIN before Him! Well, aren't the scribes and Pharisees who murdered Him already dead? Then how could this be possible? There are only two possibilities I can see:

1) Either they are already being judged at the Great White Throne Judgment which occurs AFTER haSatan has been locked away for a thousand years, OR
2) They are RESURRECTED to stand trial at the BEGINNING of His reign as this parable implies, which lasts for the last 1,000 years of this age, before going into the age to come.

I believe the second scenario makes better sense. It is FITTING and JUST that they SEE that the One whom they rejected has BECOME THE KING they feared He would be!

Furthermore, this parable shows that the Messiah - the Christ - SHALL be vindicated for His mistreatment at His trial and His crucifixion!


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Posted
5 hours ago, Locust said:

matthew 23:38 

the favored status was then gone . 

Shalom, @Locust.

Really? One should NOT forget Matthew 23:39, which gives rise to Matthew 24!

Matthew 23:38-39 (KJV)

38 "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, 'Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord.'"

No one gets to choose which verses to believe and which to reject! 

Furthermore, this is a QUOTATION from Psalm 118:26! Here's the verse in context:

This is all one psalm - one song - to God, and it is prophetic!

Psalm 118:1-29 (KJV)

1 O give thanks unto the LORD; for [he is] good: because his mercy [endureth] for ever.
2 Let Israel now say, that his mercy [endureth] for ever.
3 Let the house of Aaron ('Aharown and his sons, the priests) now say, that his mercy [endureth] for ever.
4 Let them now that fear the LORD say, that his mercy [endureth] for ever.

5 "I called upon the LORD in distress: the LORD answered me, [and set me] in a large place. 6 The LORD [is] on my side; I will not fear: what can man do unto me? 7 The LORD taketh my part with them that help me: THEREFORE SHALL I SEE [MY DESIRE] UPON THEM THAT HATE ME. 

8 [It is] better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
9 [It is] better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.

10 All nations compassed me about: but IN THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL I DESTROY THEM. 11 They compassed me about; yea, they compassed me about: but in the name of the LORD I will destroy them. 12 They compassed me about like bees; they are quenched as the fire of thorns: for in the name of the LORD I will destroy them. 13 Thou hast thrust sore at me that I might fall: but the LORD helped me.

14 "The LORD [is] my strength and song, and is become my salvation
(Hebrew: יָהּ וַיְהִי־לִי לִישׁוּעָה = "Yah has-become to-me for-rescue/deliverance").

15 "The voice of rejoicing and salvation [is] in the tabernacles of the righteous: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly. 16 The right hand of the LORD is exalted: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly.

("The right hand of the LORD" is a title of the Messiah, especially in battle.)

17 "I shall not die, but live, and declare the works of the LORD. 18 The LORD hath chastened me sore: but he hath not given me over unto death. 19 Open to me the gates of righteousness: I will go into them, [and] I will praise the LORD: 20 This gate of the LORD, into which the righteous shall enter. 21 I will praise thee: for thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation. 

(Hebrew: עֲנִיתָנִי וַתְּהִי־לִי לִישׁוּעָה = "`aniytaaniy vathiy-liy liyshuw`aah" = "thou-hast-heard-me and-hast-become-to-me for-yshuw`aah," and Jesus' name is "Yeeshuwa`," same Hebrew letters without the ending "h," for His name means "He shall save.")

22 "The stone [which] the builders refused is become the head [stone] (the capstone) of the corner (the angle/pinnacle/pyramid). 23 This is the LORD'S doing; it [is] marvellous in our eyes! 24 This [is] the day [which] the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it. 25 Save now,

(Hebrew: הוֹשִׁיעָה נָּא = "howshiy`aah naa' " =
Greek: Ὡσαννὰ = "Hoosanna" =
"Hosanna" in Matthew 21:9, 15; Mark 11:7, 10; John 12:13),

I beseech thee, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech thee, send now prosperity. 26 BLESSED [BE] HE THAT COMETH IN THE NAME OF THE LORD: 

(Hebrew: בָּרוּךְ הַבָּא בְּשֵׁם יְהוָה = "Baaruwkh habaa' bsheem YHWH" =
"Be-happy/Welcome, the-Comer in-[the]-name of-YHWH," and "in the name of YHWH" means "on the authority of YHWH.")

we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD (i.e., the Temple).
27 God [is] the LORD, which hath shewed us light: bind the sacrifice with cords, [even] unto the horns of the altar. 28 Thou [art] my God, and I will praise thee: [thou art] my God, I will exalt thee.
29 O give thanks unto the LORD; for [he is] good: for his mercy [endureth] for ever."

5 hours ago, Locust said:

acts 15:14

isreal is out of it 

John 10:16 (KJV)

16 "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."

Israel is NOT "out of it"; they are "ADDED TO!" In addition to Israel, the Gentiles have been added!


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Posted
3 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

I Agree 100%

Shalom, @truth7t7

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, because IT IS NOT A REAL POSSIBILITY!

IF Christ is reigning now "inside every person," THEN He would be the WEAKEST KING THERE HAS EVER BEEN UPON THE EARTH!

Since we know that Yeeshuwa` the Messiah will be anything BUT "weak" when He reigns, then HE IS NOT NOW REIGNING "inside every person!" That is a FALSE assumption!

While we can each individually accept Him as our COMING King and consider ourselves to be among His subjects, He has not even BEGUN to reign, yet!


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Posted
4 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, @truth7t7

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, because IT IS NOT A REAL POSSIBILITY!

IF Christ is reigning now "inside every person," THEN He would be the WEAKEST KING THERE HAS EVER BEEN UPON THE EARTH!

Since we know that Yeeshuwa` the Messiah will be anything BUT "weak" when He reigns, then HE IS NOT NOW REIGNING "inside every person!" That is a FALSE assumption!

While we can each individually accept Him as our COMING King and consider ourselves to be among His subjects, He has not even BEGUN to reign, yet!

Jesus Christ reigns presently in his Kingdom that's upon this earth, I have been translated from Satan's kingdom of darkness into the kingdom upon this earth ruled by Jesus Christ

There won't be a future Millennial Kingdom upon this earth, it's a man made fairy tale of man found no place in scripture

Colossians 1:13KJV

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:


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Posted (edited)
21 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Jesus Christ reigns presently in his Kingdom that's upon this earth, I have been translated from Satan's kingdom of darkness into the kingdom upon this earth ruled by Jesus Christ

Shalom, @truth7t7.

Actually, He IS NOT "reigning presently in His Kingdom upon this earth." See, while YHWH God, His Father, is INFINITELY IMMENSE in size, UNLIMITED in the scope of His existence, and SUPERCEDES His Universe, no matter how many galaxies of stars are involved, His Son, Yeeshuwa`, His Messiah to be Israel's King and ultimately the King of kings, is a HUMAN BODY, even now resurrected, and He is now LOCALIZED to a physical location. That's why He could leave this world (Acts 1:7-9), and will return again:

1 Corinthians 15:23 KJV - 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1 Thessalonians 2:19 KJV - 19 For what [is] our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? [Are] not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?
2 Thessalonians 2:8 KJV - 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
1 John 2:28 KJV - 28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Matthew 16:28 KJV - 28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
John 5:28 KJV - 28 "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,"
1 Thessalonians 3:13 KJV - 13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
2 Peter 1:16 KJV - 16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

What would be the point of His Coming if He is already "reigning presently in His Kingdom upon this earth?"

21 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

There won't be a future Millennial Kingdom upon this earth, it's a man made fairy tale of man found no place in scripture

Colossians 1:13KJV

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

You're right in one sense. He is NOT restricted to a Millennium - a One-Thousand-Year-Period of time.

Luke 1:30-33 (KJV)

30 And the angel (Gabriel) said unto her,

"Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And HE SHALL REIGN OVER THE HOUSE OF JACOB FOR EVER; AND OF HIS KINGDOM THERE SHALL BE NO END."

His Kingdom shall last FOREVER! But, it SHALL EXIST RIGHT HERE UPON THIS EARTH, especially after it has been re-made after the Fire.

Jeremiah 23:5 (KJV)

5 "Behold, the days come," saith the LORD, "that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth."

Revelation 5:9-10 (KJV)

9 And they sung a new song, saying,

"Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And HAST MADE US UNTO OUR GOD KINGS AND PRIESTS: and WE SHALL REIGN ON THE EARTH."

Revelation 20:1-6 (KJV)

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in THE FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the second death hath no power, but THEY SHALL BE PRIESTS OF GOD AND OF CHRIST, AND SHALL REIGN WITH HIM A THOUSAND YEARS.

Then, we also find this:

Revelation 22:1-5 (KJV)

1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it (the New Jerusalem), and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4 And they shall see his face; and his name [shall be] in their foreheads. 5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and THEY SHALL REIGN FOR EVER AND EVER.

The Millennium is really about the chaining of haSatan (Hebrew for "the Enemy"). However, Revelation 20:1-6 also says that while he is chained up in the Bottomless Pit (the Abyss), Yeeshuwa` and those whom He raises to life shall reign for a thousand years, and after the New Jerusalem descends to the New (Renewed) Earth, "they shall reign for ever and ever!"

And, no, one isn't "translated ... into the kingdom upon this earth ruled by Jesus Christ" immediately; he or she is PROMISED being in His Kingdom upon this earth!

One must read Colossians 1:13 WITHIN ITS CONTEXT:

Colossians 1:1-29 (KJV)

1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus [our] brother, 2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse:

Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ!

3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, 4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love [which ye have] to all the saints, 5 For THE HOPE which is laid up for you in heaven (Greek: ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς = "en tois ouranois" = "in the skies"), whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; 6 Which is come unto you, as [it is] in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as [it doth] also in you, since the day ye heard [of it], and knew the grace of God in truth: 7 As ye also learned of Epaphras our dear fellowservant, who is for you a faithful minister of Christ; 8 Who also declared unto us your love in the Spirit. 9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard [it], do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; 10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness; 12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet (fitting; worthy) to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] (Greek: μετέστησεν  = "metesteesen" = "hath made us stand with") INTO (not "within") the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven (Greek: ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς = "en tois ouranois" = "in the skies"). 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in [your] mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from THE HOPE of the gospel (Isaiah 52:7), which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven (Greek: ὑπὸ τὸν οὐρανόν = "hupo ton ouranon" = "under the sky"); whereof I Paul am made a minister; 24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: 25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 26 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27 To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, THE HOPE of glory: 28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present (mature) every man perfect in Christ Jesus: 29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

While "hope" is not an "I hope so" kind of hope, it IS a CONFIDENT ANTICIPATION of what is to come, not the actual realization of what is said to come.

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Posted
On 4/22/2025 at 12:18 PM, Luther said:

there is NO evidence of an actual time period of a thousand years mentioned or even implied. That means that you cannot easily prove what I would consider Old Testament allegory to have anything to do with Revelation 20

Yes there is, Revelation 20:4-7 specifically says so, multiple times.

The city in Ezekiel 40 to the end is different than the city in Revelation 21 and 22.
In Ezekiel it is 18,000 with a temple in the middle.
In Revelation it is 12,000 with no temple.
Clearly two different places, not allegory clearly they describe two different places.
Ezekiel is not describing the ultimate city, as described in Revelation,
we are given specific measurements.

 

The anti-Christ will make fire come down from the sky:
Revelation 13:13.

The real Messiah will spew fire and brimstone from His mouth literally:
Revelation 19:21.

The Father destroys everything including the sky from the fire of Revelation 20:9.

Ignoring these distinctions plays into the hands of the anti-Christ.

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Posted
17 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Yes there is, Revelation 20:4-7 specifically says so, multiple times.

The city in Ezekiel 40 to the end is different than the city in Revelation 21 and 22.
In Ezekiel it is 18,000 with a temple in the middle.
In Revelation it is 12,000 with no temple.
Clearly two different places, not allegory clearly they describe two different places.
Ezekiel is not describing the ultimate city, as described in Revelation,
we are given specific measurements.

 

The anti-Christ will make fire come down from the sky:
Revelation 13:13.

The real Messiah will spew fire and brimstone from His mouth literally:
Revelation 19:21.

The Father destroys everything including the sky from the fire of Revelation 20:9.

Ignoring these distinctions plays into the hands of the anti-Christ.

And like I said before over and over, you can believe that Ezekiel 40  has something to do with revelation 20. But many people don't as well. And what we have on our side is the fact that there's no mention of a literal thousand year period in Ezekiel 40. And there are some of us who understand the spiritual principles of the book of Revelation. And when you compare scripture with scripture, it's very clear that there is no millennial reign of Christ on this current Earth.

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On 4/22/2025 at 3:32 AM, truth7t7 said:

Zephaniah 3:8 clearly states "For All The Earth Shall Be Devoured With The Fire Of My Jealousy"

Zephaniah makes clear it is not the entire world:

"From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of
my dispersed
, shall bring mine offering" Zephaniah 3:10

How can that be if the whole globe is destroyed in 3:8 ?

And Revelation also gives, clear, revelation, on the matter.

The Messiah returns and spews fire and brimstone
"out of His mouth" Revelation 19:21.
destroying an all nation army gathered to fight Him: Revelation 19:19.

The resurrected saints and the Messiah reign for 1000 years
with Satan locked away Revelation 20:1-7
"till the thousand years should be fulfilled" 20:3
"lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years" 20:4
"the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousands years
were finished" 20:5
"...shall reign with Him a thousand years" 20:6
"And when the thousand years are expired..." 20:7

Afterward the Father sends a fire down upon more armies
that Satan is allowed to gather against the saints:
Revelation 20:7-9, Revelation 20:9.
It is after that, that the whole world is described as being destroyed:
Revelation 21:1

Let us notice how Revelation 21:1 is worded,
so that we can clearly see that by "earth"
it means the land, not some 'globe'.

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:
for the first heaven and earth were passed away,
and there was no more sea." Revelation 21:1

If it was referring to a globe, the no more sea part does not make sense.
What is being said is that there was no more sky and no more land,
and no more sea, everything gets destroyed by divine fire, ( 2 Peter 3:8-12 )
and the city of heaven comes down. Revelation 21:2.

 

 

 

 

Return of Christ, fire from His mouth: Revelation 19:19-21
After Gog and Magog, fire from the Father: Revelation 20:9
That final fire destroys the whole world: 2 Peter 3:8-12, Revelation 21:1.

Your view puts the final fire at the return of Christ,
but Revelation gives a clear timeline otherwise.

 

The anti-Christ will make fire come from the sky: Revelation 13:13.
The real Messiah will spew fire and brimstone "out of His mouth"
Revelation 19:19.  

"For the Lord shall cause His glorious voice to be heard..." Isaiah 30:30
"The Lord shall utter His voice before His army" Joel 2:11
"The rest were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the horse,
which sword proceeded out of His mouth" Revelation 19:21

 

 


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2 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

His Son, Yeeshuwa`, His Messiah to be Israel's King and ultimately the King of kings, is a HUMAN BODY, even now resurrected, and He is now LOCALIZED to a physical location.

"False" Jesus sits at the right hand of the father, your suggestion he's in a human body localized to a physical location is a fairy tale, your scenario is perfectly aligned with the seating of the future Antichrist in Jerusalem

Matthew 22:44KJV

44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Matthew 26:64KJV

64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Jesus warned his followers against your teaching, Jesus won't be found anywhere upon this earth

Matthew 24:23-27KJV

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

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