Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

[Montana Marv]

9 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Jesus Christ warned his followers against your teaching, Jesus won't be found anyplace on this earth as you falsely claim

Acts 1:11 -  Men of Galilee; they said.  Why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.

He went up into heaven from the Mt. of Olives, and later returns to the Mt. of Olives in the same way He went up into heaven.

Yes, Jesus Christ warned us of those false claims He will not return to this earth.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Your closest friendnt]

@truth7t7

The MANA in the Golden vessel. The Bread of Life in the tummy of Mary. The young maiden (not from the world) but from the Holy people of God of the 10 commandments. And the dry staff of Aaron. It's the prophetic that a new branch will come from the root of Jesse. Or a New High Priest will come forth. The Messiah, the Bread of Life the New Branch no One like Him before the Son of Man, the Man from above who will be carried in the tummy of the Sanctified vessel of the Sinai Covenant will come forth and be Born the New High Priest the Mediator between Man and God who like the High Priest in the Day of Atonement he took all the sins of the people upon himself and then transferred them onto the goat and then the innocent goat died to provide the blood of the Atonement. 

But with Jesus our High Priest in the order of Melchizedek God put if we can use this words all the sins of the world was upon himself and died as the innocent Lamb, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

The point in Acts 1:11 is made in the last words of the Angel "will come back in the same way" in the ISV. 

And in the KJV "shall so come in like manner" 

The question for clarification is, :what is the like manner" in the kjv and "will come back in the same way"and it is about Jesus Christ only.

this is about the manner Jesus went up in Heaven. And it was in the presence of witnesses who will be His eye witness and who were gathered at that place and at that time on the Mount of Olives. 

Jesus definitely did not go up in Heaven in the manner Elijah went up whith a chariot.

This is how Jesus went up in Heaven as Jesus described it in John 6:62 when he said that He will ascent ascent up in Heaven and He also foretold that the disciples will witnessing that when will happen. 

But in acts they are not told that they or anyone else will witness his coming back in. 

in the same manner. As Jesus said: "who is going to take the Son of Man up and who us going to bring him down. And who is going to bring him down and who is going to bring him up." 

JESUS came back as he had promised to John that John will die after Jesus comes back, as it happened. All the disciples had died and only John was alive when Jesus came back and as Jesus had said it happened. Only John will witness that because He will show himself only to John. 

John 6:62  Berean Standard Bible
Then what will happen if you see the Son of Man ascend to where He was before?

Berean Literal Bible
Then what if you should see the Son of Man ascending to where He was before? 

International Standard Version Acts 1:11 
11 They asked, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking up toward heaven? This same Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you saw him go up into heaven." 

KJV acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

 

Edited May 28 by Your closest friendnt

[Luther]

19 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Tunnel vision will get one no where.

God honors all Covenants which he makes with man.  Old Covenant, New Covenant

The Abrahamic Covenant;  A People (Israel),  A Land (the Promise Land or Israel), and a blessing which is Jesus Christ.

Ezk 43:7 - He said, son of man, this is the place of my throne, and the place for the soles of my feet, This is where I will live among the Israelite's forever.  Millennial Kingdom.

Daniel 12 : 11 - 13 ........   As for you (Daniel), go your way till the end, you will rest, then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.  Which is his part of the Abrahamic Covenant, the Land.

Zech 14 ---  On that day his feet will stand on the Mt of Olives;  On that day there will be no light, cold or frost;  On that day living water will out from Jerusalem; The Lord will be King over the whole earth,  On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name;  The survivors from all the nations which attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year, to worship the King, the Lord God Almighty, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.

In Christ

Montana Marv

That's simply not true. 

Colossians 1:17-19 KJV
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 

[18] And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

[19] For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Ephesians 1:10 KJV
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

 

Everything that God has promised to His children is fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Not Abraham, not David, not a former covenant, but Jesus Christ.

The New Covenant is the New Testament in Christ's blood ( Matthew 26:28). In the Bible, the New Testament is the object of our focus. And Christ is the embodiment of the New Testament, not the nation of Israel, not a covenant made in the Old Testament, not ANYTHING that Christ fulfilled.

 A Christian can't be a Christian if Christ does not take preeminence over everything.

[Montana Marv]

19 minutes ago, Luther said:

That's simply not true. 

If God does not honor all His Covenants with man, He/God then is made out to be a liar.  Which He is Not.

His Promise/Covenant to Abraham is 3 fold.  1. A people, the 12 tribes from Jacob.  2.  A Land for his people, the land across the Jordan River.  3.  A Blessing which is Jesus Christ.  Numbers 1 and 2 are still unfolding, and yet to be fulfilled.  Daniel 9:24 is the prophetic time clock for the salvation of Israel.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

[truth7t7]

28 minutes ago, Luther said:

That's simply not true. 

Colossians 1:17-19 KJV
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 

[18] And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

[19] For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Ephesians 1:10 KJV
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

 

Everything that God has promised to His children is fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Not Abraham, not David, not a former covenant, but Jesus Christ.

The New Covenant is the New Testament in Christ's blood ( Matthew 26:28). In the Bible, the New Testament is the object of our focus. And Christ is the embodiment of the New Testament, not the nation of Israel, not a covenant made in the Old Testament, not ANYTHING that Christ fulfilled.

 A Christian can't be a Christian if Christ does not take preeminence over everything.

I Agree, The Promes To Abraham Was The Seed Of Jesus Christ "Fulfilled" In The New Covenant On Calvary In The Precious Blood Shed For The Worlds Sin

Galatians 3:16KJV

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

He went up into heaven from the Mt. of Olives, and later returns to the Mt. of Olives in the same way He went up into heaven.

Yes, Jesus Christ warned us of those false claims He will not return to this earth.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Zechariah Chapter 14 Is "The Eternal Kingdom" After The Day Of The Lord Takes Place, Don't Be Deceived

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV

14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.

11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Edited May 28 by truth7t7

[kwikphilly]

13 minutes ago, Luther said:

That's simply not true. 

Colossians 1:17-19 KJV
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 

[18] And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

[19] For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Ephesians 1:10 KJV
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

 

Everything that God has promised to His children is fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Not Abraham, not David, not a former covenant, but Jesus Christ.

The New Covenant is the New Testament in Christ's blood ( Matthew 26:28). In the Bible, the New Testament is the object of our focus. And Christ is the embodiment of the New Testament, not the nation of Israel, not a covenant made in the Old Testament, not ANYTHING that Christ fulfilled.

 A Christian can't be a Christian if Christ does not take preeminence over everything.

Of course it's true and because God is Faithful Does not mean Christ Does not take Preeminance- why would God the Son,,the Living Word of God oppose the Written Word or not uphold His Covenants of Old as they Believed in the Promise of the Seed to Come?God Kept all His Promises-Jesus is indeed the Fulfillment of the Prophets and the Law- He Did not come to abolish,destroy or negate the Covenants God but to establish a New Covenant- to Accomplish their Purposes which were Indeed Accomplished in Christ

But what about Abraham,Moses and all men who entered into Covenant with God and Believed God, they were not Christians as we are but certainly Believers

The Old Covenant are not applicable to Christians ,not by obligation or mamdate but are  every bit as significant because IN CHRIST we meet all the Conditions of the Covenants of Old  set in place by God......

His Promises WERE Kept and we Continue to be Blessed by God's Faithfulness because Christ Fulfilled every Requirement

[Montana Marv]

7 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Zechariah Chapter 14 Is "The Eternal Kingdom" After The Day Of The Lord Takes Place, Don't Be Deceived

You never take into account vs. 16-19  The nations must observe the Feast of Tabernacles; and if they do not, they will have no rain as punishment.  No rain means no crops, they become beggars to other nations which follow the instructions of the Feast of Tabernacles.  And this goes on for 1000 years.

Isa 19:23-25 - In that day, there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria. The Assyrians will go to Egypt and the Egyptians to Assyria.  The Assyrians and Egyptians will worship together.  In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on earth.  The Lord God Almighty will bless them saying; "Blessed be Egypt, my People, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my Inheritance".

If one looks closely; the Lord God Almighty says; "Israel is His Inheritance". Not the other way around.  Why?; go back to the Covenant to Abraham, a blessing is promised, Jesus Christ, whom is tied to/part of this Covenant.

Three nations, all closely tied to the Lord God Almighty.  And all during Zech 14, the 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth as Prophesied.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Luther]

5 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

Of course it's true and because God is Faithful Does not mean Christ Does not take Preeminance- why would God the Son,,the Living Word of God oppose the Written Word or not uphold His Covenants of Old as they Believed in the Promise of the Seed to Come?God Kept all His Promises-Jesus is indeed the Fulfillment of the Prophets and the Law- He Did not come to abolish,destroy or negate the Covenants God but to establish a New Covenant- to Accomplish their Purposes which were Indeed Accomplished in Christ

But what about Abraham,Moses and all men who entered into Covenant with God and Believed God, they were not Christians as we are but certainly Believers

The Old Covenant are not applicable to Christians ,not by obligation or mamdate but are  every bit as significant because IN CHRIST we meet all the Conditions of the Covenants of Old  set in place by God......

His Promises WERE Kept and we Continue to be Blessed by God's Faithfulness because Christ Fulfilled every Requirement

You said: " But what about Abraham,Moses and all men who entered into Covenant with God and Believed God, they were not Christians as we are but certainly Believers "

Of course they were believers in Christ. They had the Faith of Christ like every human being needs to enter the Kingdom of heaven. They couldn't be perfectly obedient through the law obviously.