Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

[Luther]

5 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

If God does not honor all His Covenants with man, He/God then is made out to be a liar.  Which He is Not.

His Promise/Covenant to Abraham is 3 fold.  1. A people, the 12 tribes from Jacob.  2.  A Land for his people, the land across the Jordan River.  3.  A Blessing which is Jesus Christ.  Numbers 1 and 2 are still unfolding, and yet to be fulfilled.  Daniel 9:24 is the prophetic time clock for the salvation of Israel.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

This is straight from AI : 

Here's a brief overview of each covenant:
1) Adamic Covenant:
Established with Adam, it focused on the relationship between humanity and God, with the promise of life in the Garden of Eden contingent on obedience. 

2) Noahic Covenant:
After the Flood, God promised not to destroy the earth again with a flood, establishing a covenant with Noah and all living things. 

3) Abrahamic Covenant:
God promised Abraham a great nation, land, and a blessing to all nations through him.

4) Mosaic Covenant:
God established a covenant with the Israelites at Mount Sinai, providing them with laws and guidelines for their life and relationship with God. 

5) Davidic Covenant:
God promised David a dynasty that would rule forever, with the promise of a Messiah coming from his lineage. 

6) New Covenant:
Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant, establishing a new covenant through his sacrifice, offering forgiveness and eternal life. 

7) Everlasting Covenant:
This covenant, rooted in the New Covenant, promises a future where God will dwell with humanity in a perfect, restored creation. 

These covenants demonstrate God's faithfulness and his progressive revelation of his plan for salvation and redemption throughout human history.

.................................

All of these covenants are fulfilled in Jesus Christ. We are close to entering the everlasting Covenant.

The biggest hang up Christians have I see is with Covenant number 3. Many Christians think that it has not been fulfilled. It has.

God promises Abraham's seed ( not Abraham ) land. The inheritance of the land was conditional. They must obey God ( Mosaic Covenant). Failure to do so would be eviction from the land. Which happened. Remember? A long time ago?

Now we move on through the remaining covenants.

 

[truth7t7]

6 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

You never take into account vs. 16-19  The nations must observe the Feast of Tabernacles; and if they do not, they will have no rain as punishment.  No rain means no crops, they become beggars to other nations which follow the instructions of the Feast of Tabernacles.  And this goes on for 1000 years.

Isa 19:23-25 - In that day, there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria. The Assyrians will go to Egypt and the Egyptians to Assyria.  The Assyrians and Egyptians will worship together.  In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on earth.  The Lord God Almighty will bless them saying; "Blessed be Egypt, my People, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my Inheritance".

If one looks closely; the Lord God Almighty says; "Israel is His Inheritance". Not the other way around.  Why?; go back to the Covenant to Abraham, a blessing is promised, Jesus Christ, whom is tied to/part of this Covenant.

Three nations, all closely tied to the Lord God Almighty.  And all during Zech 14, the 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth as Prophesied.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Zechariah 14:16 Who Will Be Left Of The Nation's?

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)

Zechariah 14:12KJV

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)

Zechariah 14:16KJV

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isaiah 4:3-4KJV

3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:

4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

Revelation 21:24-27KJV

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, Luther said:

This is straight from AI : 

Here's a brief overview of each covenant:
1) Adamic Covenant:
Established with Adam, it focused on the relationship between humanity and God, with the promise of life in the Garden of Eden contingent on obedience. 

2) Noahic Covenant:
After the Flood, God promised not to destroy the earth again with a flood, establishing a covenant with Noah and all living things. 

3) Abrahamic Covenant:
God promised Abraham a great nation, land, and a blessing to all nations through him.

4) Mosaic Covenant:
God established a covenant with the Israelites at Mount Sinai, providing them with laws and guidelines for their life and relationship with God. 

5) Davidic Covenant:
God promised David a dynasty that would rule forever, with the promise of a Messiah coming from his lineage. 

6) New Covenant:
Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant, establishing a new covenant through his sacrifice, offering forgiveness and eternal life. 

7) Everlasting Covenant:
This covenant, rooted in the New Covenant, promises a future where God will dwell with humanity in a perfect, restored creation. 

These covenants demonstrate God's faithfulness and his progressive revelation of his plan for salvation and redemption throughout human history.

.................................

All of these covenants are fulfilled in Jesus Christ. We are close to entering the everlasting Covenant.

The biggest hang up Christians have I see is with Covenant number 3. Many Christians think that it has not been fulfilled. It has.

God promises Abraham's seed ( not Abraham ) land. The inheritance of the land was conditional. They must obey God ( Mosaic Covenant). Failure to do so would be eviction from the land. Which happened. Remember? A long time ago?

Now we move on through the remaining covenants.

 

The promised land of inheritance will be seen in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, as seen in Ezekiel chapters 47-48, the "Eternal Kingdom"

Ezekiel 48:29-35KJV

29 This is the land which ye shall divide by lot unto the tribes of Israel for inheritance, and these are their portions, saith the Lord God. 30 And these are the goings out of the city on the north side, four thousand and five hundred measures. 31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi. 32 And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one gate of Joseph, one gate of Benjamin, one gate of Dan. 33 And at the south side four thousand and five hundred measures: and three gates; one gate of Simeon, one gate of Issachar, one gate of Zebulun. 34 At the west side four thousand and five hundred, with their three gates; one gate of Gad, one gate of Asher, one gate of Naphtali. 35 It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there.

Revelation 21:10-13KJV

10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; 12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

Ezekiel Below Is (The Eternal Kingdom) Same River And Tree Of life, Same Fruit On The Tree, Same Leaves Of The Tree For Healing/Medicine

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Ezekiel 47:12KJV

12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Revelation 22:1-2KJV

1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

[Luther]

22 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

The promised land of inheritance will be seen in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, as seen in Ezekiel chapters 47-48, the "Eternal Kingdom"

Ezekiel 48:29-35KJV

29 This is the land which ye shall divide by lot unto the tribes of Israel for inheritance, and these are their portions, saith the Lord God. 30 And these are the goings out of the city on the north side, four thousand and five hundred measures. 31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi. 32 And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one gate of Joseph, one gate of Benjamin, one gate of Dan. 33 And at the south side four thousand and five hundred measures: and three gates; one gate of Simeon, one gate of Issachar, one gate of Zebulun. 34 At the west side four thousand and five hundred, with their three gates; one gate of Gad, one gate of Asher, one gate of Naphtali. 35 It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there.

Revelation 21:10-13KJV

10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; 12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

Ezekiel Below Is (The Eternal Kingdom) Same River And Tree Of life, Same Fruit On The Tree, Same Leaves Of The Tree For Healing/Medicine

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Ezekiel 47:12KJV

12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Revelation 22:1-2KJV

1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

How about that. I never saw the parallels. Thank you for sharing. This is like actual proof that Ezekiel 40-48 cannot be used to justify a literal millennial Kingdom on this earth.

[Montana Marv]

1 hour ago, Luther said:

All of these covenants are fulfilled in Jesus Christ. We are close to entering the everlasting Covenant.

The biggest hang up Christians have I see is with Covenant number 3. Many Christians think that it has not been fulfilled. It has.

God promises Abraham's seed ( not Abraham ) land. The inheritance of the land was conditional. They must obey God ( Mosaic Covenant). Failure to do so would be eviction from the land. Which happened. Remember? A long time ago?

As I said before;  The Abrahamic Covenant is three fold. 

1. A People, the 12 Tribes from Jacob/Israel.  Children are still being born under this promise.  Yes today.  This has not been fulfilled by Christ.  Ongoing.  

2.  A Land, west of the Jordan River, still there.  Most is now occupied by the 12 Tribes.  Only one problem; the enemy still lurks in their land.  Hamas still in Gaza.  See what is happening, Hamas and the Palestinian's are being rooted out of the Land.  Why?  To fulfill Ezk 38:11 - You will say, I will invade a land of unwalled villages, I will attack peaceful and unsuspecting people, all of them living without walls and without gates and bars.  No enemy within, no walls or gates needed.  Not fulfilled by Christ.

3. A Blessing, which is Jesus Christ the Messiah.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, Luther said:

How about that. I never saw the parallels. Thank you for sharing. This is like actual proof that Ezekiel 40-48 cannot be used to justify a literal millennial Kingdom on this earth.

Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 Represents the 2nd Zerubabbel Temple Built In 536BC And Destroyed By Roman Armies In 70AD

As clearly shown, Ezekiel Chapter 43 showed the temple "Pattern" to the House of Israel in the Babylonian Captivity let "Them" measure, Ezekiel was instructed to write the ordinances and law in "Their" sight, that "They" keep them, not some future generation as many "Falsely" claim

The temple seen in Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 is nothing more than the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple built 536BC after the Babylonian Captivity, where animal sacrifice for "Sin" was instructed by "God", prior to the shed blood of Jesus Christ on Calvary, don't be deceived

Ezekiel 43:10-11 & 19-21KJV

10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.

11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

 

19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.

20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.

21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.

Edited May 29 by truth7t7

[kwikphilly]

5 hours ago, Luther said:

You said: " But what about Abraham,Moses and all men who entered into Covenant with God and Believed God, they were not Christians as we are but certainly Believers "

Of course they were believers in Christ. They had the Faith of Christ like every human being needs to enter the Kingdom of heaven. They couldn't be perfectly obedient through the law obviously.

 

Exactly- Amen

A Christian can not disagree on this AND that God is Faithful- oh but for the Grace of God.... Praise Jesus

In His Love,Kwik

[kwikphilly]

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

As I said before;  The Abrahamic Covenant is three fold. 

1. A People, the 12 Tribes from Jacob/Israel.  Children are still being born under this promise.  Yes today.  This has not been fulfilled by Christ.  Ongoing.  

2.  A Land, west of the Jordan River, still there.  Most is now occupied by the 12 Tribes.  Only one problem; the enemy still lurks in their land.  Hamas still in Gaza.  See what is happening, Hamas and the Palestinian's are being rooted out of the Land.  Why?  To fulfill Ezk 38:11 - You will say, I will invade a land of unwalled villages, I will attack peaceful and unsuspecting people, all of them living without walls and without gates and bars.  No enemy within, no walls or gates needed.  Not fulfilled by Christ.

3. A Blessing, which is Jesus Christ the Messiah.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

Blessings Marb

All things ,all the Law ,all the Prophets are Full filled in Christ Jesus- past,present & future..... Though we may not see the manifestation of what will yet unfold before our eyes of flesh upon this temporal earth and in this carnal state bound by space & time..... it's Already Done in Christ

In His Love,Kwik

[Your closest friendnt]

8 hours ago, Luther said:

You said: " But what about Abraham,Moses and all men who entered into Covenant with God and Believed God, they were not Christians as we are but certainly Believers "

Of course they were believers in Christ. They had the Faith of Christ like every human being needs to enter the Kingdom of heaven. They couldn't be perfectly obedient through the law obviously.

 

Abraham, Moses and the other people you have in mind they were not disciples of Jesus Christ. 

No one of them had his sins forgiven in Jesus Christ death on the Cross. 

Edited May 29 by Your closest friendnt

[Michael37]

59 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Abraham, Moses and the other people you have in mind they were not disciples of Jesus Christ. 

No one of them had his sins forgiven in Jesus Christ death on the Cross. 

In Adam, all sinned.

I wasn't yet born when Christ died for my sins to be forgiven, which means His sacrifice was anticipatory of my needing forgiveness through His shed blood.

Likewise when Christ died, His perfect sacrifice was sufficient to atone for the sins of the OT saints, who anticipated God's provision for their sins to be forgiven.

Joh 1:29  The next day John sees Jesus coming to him and says, Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Heb 2:9  But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor, that He by the grace of God should taste death for all.

Heb 2:17  Therefore in all things it behoved him to be made like His brothers, that He might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of His people.

1Jn 2:1-2  My little children, I write these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.  (2)  And He is the propitiation concerning our sins, and not concerning ours only, but also concerning the sins of all the world.