Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

[Montana Marv]

28 minutes ago, Alive said:

A little levity can be good. This has been my position for a long time, now and I have typed in many times.

I don't believe anybody alive today understands Revelation, but the original audience did because God provided and anointed members to explain it as it circulated.

It's kinda like solving a puzzle with lots of missing pieces and overlaying the puzzle with guesswork and much imagination. The core of confusion is bringing to Revelation pre-suppositions and then trying to fit pieces to confirm them.

I have a different way of processing things.  We have a schedule of events (Seal, Trumpet and Bowls) from start to finish.  What happens when we go in reverse from the Second Coming (every eye will see Him) and work toward the 1st Seal.  What happens can determine what can't happen and where.  What are population densities at a particular time.  How long does it take to travel from point A to point B.  Geographically what is happening, and where.  How large is a specific army?  Say 200,000,000 on horseback occupies over 220 sq miles packed like sardines.  All things must be considered.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

I don't believe anybody alive today understands Revelation, but the original audience did because God provided and anointed members to explain it as it circulated.

It's kinda like solving a puzzle with lots of missing pieces and overlaying the puzzle with guesswork and much imagination. The core of confusion is bringing to Revelation pre-suppositions and then trying to fit pieces to confirm them.

I Disagree, God the Holy Spirit lives within the saved believer, he teaches all things leading the believer into biblical truth

It's my opinion man's pride, stubbornness, and rebellion to simple biblical truth presented is a major factor at play

Example: A pastor at a church of 10,000 people has been falsely teaching a doctrine for 20 years because it was a denominational doctrine, only to find out he's been wrong all along?

Will he stand up before the 10,000 and admit he and the denomination are wrong, with the possibility of losing his $250k a year salary, housing, and expenses, because the doctrine would be a serious concern in change?

John 14:26KJV

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Edited Monday at 04:08 PM by truth7t7

[Alive]

14 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

John 14:26KJV

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Is that statement relevant to this subject matter?

What if what is sought is not relevant? Will He show something false because someone wants it?

That is impossible--of course. It is abundantly clear to me with the amount of confusion and lack of an interpretation which is clear--that we aren't to know. He will most definitely reveal what the Body requires.

In the meantime--occupy and be salt to humanity in  hopes of a late season Harvest. He will Return! I await a loud shout and a trumpet announcement.

Maranatha.

[truth7t7]

15 minutes ago, Alive said:

Is that statement relevant to this subject matter?

What if what is sought is not relevant? Will He show something false because someone wants it?

That is impossible--of course. It is abundantly clear to me with the amount of confusion and lack of an interpretation which is clear--that we aren't to know. He will most definitely reveal what the Body requires.

In the meantime--occupy and be salt to humanity in  hopes of a late season Harvest. He will Return! I await a loud shout and a trumpet announcement.

Maranatha.

2 Timothy 3:16-17KJV

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Ephesians 4:14-15KJV

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

1 Timothy 4:13-16KJV

13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.

16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Edited Monday at 04:20 PM by truth7t7

[Alive]

1 minute ago, truth7t7 said:

2 Timothy 3:16-17KJV

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Ephesians 4:14-15KJV

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

1 Timothy 4:13-16KJV

13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.

16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Is eschatology doctrine?

[Your closest friendnt]

50 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

I have a different way of processing things.  We have a schedule of events (Seal, Trumpet and Bowls) from start to finish.  What happens when we go in reverse from the Second Coming (every eye will see Him) and work toward the 1st Seal.  What happens can determine what can't happen and where.  What are population densities at a particular time.  How long does it take to travel from point A to point B.  Geographically what is happening, and where.  How large is a specific army?  Say 200,000,000 on horseback occupies over 220 sq miles packed like sardines.  All things must be considered.

In Christ

Montana Marv

And the horses need to be taken care off. And mantain them and clean and clean and continue to clean after them. 

 

45 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

John 14:26KJV

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

@truth7t7

This Jesus said to his disciples who had teach them for three years before the Cross and for many days after the Cross. 

Paul was not there with them. What then? Do we have a problem?

Hebrews was or was not there with them? 

Paul says that before the Law God gave to Abraham the Circumcision and He and Issac and Jacob were saved by the Circumcision. And the 12 Patriarhs and their children till the Law were also saved by the Circumcision. 

With the Covenant of the Sinai Covenant they were  saved by their obedience to the Law which included the Circumcision. If under the law they wanted to be saved by the Circumcision and did not follow the Law they were lost.

Yet Hebrews is not recognizing that. 

We know who is Paul, but who is Hebrews so we can use his name and say not just Hebrews but calling him with his name and say that He disagrees with Paul and Peter. 

Edited Monday at 04:38 PM by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

16 minutes ago, Alive said:

Is eschatology doctrine?

The doctrine of the washings or the baptisms.

The doctrine of the clean and unclean. 

 

Edited Monday at 04:39 PM by Your closest friendnt

[truth7t7]

19 minutes ago, Alive said:

In the meantime--occupy and be salt to humanity in  hopes of a late season Harvest. He will Return! I await a loud shout and a trumpet announcement.

Maranatha.

Your suggestion is good however there is more to the body of the church than that presented, doctrine is a serious concern and admonished throughout God's words, it's not all about let's hold hands and skip into the glorious kingdom together

Example: A religious movement teaches Jesus Is going to physically return to this earth and rule from a physical throne in Jerusalem amongst mortal men?

My Bible teaches that this is false, and will be setting up the world to receive the false Christ/Antichrist

Should the Spirit filled believer be silent from exposing this false teaching, and not presenting the scripture seen below that clearly teaches Jesus won't be found any place upon this earth?

Matthew 24:23-27KJV

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

[Your closest friendnt]

@truth7t7

Did Paul include Hebrews leter in his instructions to Timothy and Paul included a copy of the Leter to Hebrews to Timothy? 

 

[truth7t7]

24 minutes ago, Alive said:

Is eschatology doctrine?

The forum of eschatology consists of many different doctrines being presented, the word eschatology in itself isn't doctrine

Edited Monday at 04:47 PM by truth7t7