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14 hours ago, Frits said:

No. The fixed pattern that applies to all people, did NOT apply to the Lord Jesus Christ, because He alone entered Hades without OWN sin guilt. Our Redeemer took our sins upon Himself, and that is why He had to die!

When He had paid everything and accomplished everything (John 17:4, John 19:30), He, by commanding His Spirit into the hands of His Father (Luke 23:46), took His Royal authority back upon Himself.

Jesus Christ died according to the flesh, but He was made alive according to the spirit (1Pe. 3:18), in the hands of His Father. And only then, as the Great Conqueror, did the Eternal Living Kurios Jesus Christ enter the realm of the dead! (read Ps. 24:7-10) His Holy Spirit was therefore with Him in the realm of the dead, according to Acts 2:27.

 

14 hours ago, Frits said:

There are many Jews in our time who are loveless, you can see that daily on your TV. But also in the time of the Lord Jesus Christ there were many loveless Jews in Israel!

That is precisely why, because of their lovelessness, the Lord Jesus Christ preached to His people, they had to turn to Him, love Him and their neighbors!

(Deut.6:5)

 

14 hours ago, Frits said:

Yes he has, but the first commandment from Matt.27:37-39.

 

13 hours ago, Frits said:

You are in error, for the Lord Jesus Christ is not judged, but He Himself sits on His great white throne and judges! (2 Tim.4:1, Rev.20:11)

 

13 hours ago, Frits said:

Abraham is a good man. He is alive and the Bible calls him a friend of God.

Jac 2:23 KJV 

And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

 

13 hours ago, Frits said:

You see, brother, I have not changed anything in the Holy Scripture.

Have a nice day!

May the reader judge if you addressed my points or not.

But I will answer your belief that Jesus was not judged. What then is this? 

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all. (Eph.1:20–23).

And further, you again deny the veracity of scripture for Hebrews 9:27 says: 

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28 SO CHRIST ...!!! (Heb 9:27–28a).

The word "SO" means "IN LIKE MANNER"


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Posted
8 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, @Your closest friendnt.

Sorry, bro', but Yeeshuwa` the Messiah was risen from the "place of the dead" called a tomb in a cemetery! He did NOT descend to some "Hell." That is a FICTIONAL MISREADING OF SCRIPTURE! 

First, the word translated as "hell" in the OT is שְׁאוֹל or "sh'owl," and the word means "asked about." It's the place where children were brought, and they "asked about" their deceased loved one, giving the parents an opportunity to tell the loved one's story.

Second, this idea is a fictional misreading of ...

Ephesians 4:7-10 (KJV)

7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 8 Wherefore he saith, "When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men." (Psalm 68:18) 9 (Now that "he ascended," what is it but that "he also descended" first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that "descended" is the same also that "ascended up far above all heavens," that he might fill all things.)

But this contains a QUOTE from the Tanakh (the "Old Testament"). So, to understand it in its context, one must go back to the source:

Psalm 68:1-35 (KJV)

1 [[To the chief Musician, A Psalm [or] Song of (for) David.]]

Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered: let them also that hate him flee before him.
2 As smoke is driven away, [so] drive [them] away:
as wax melteth before the fire, [so] let the wicked perish at the presence of God.

3 But let the righteous be glad;
let them rejoice before God: yea, let them exceedingly rejoice
.
4 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name:
extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him
.

5 A father of the fatherless,
and a judge of (for) the widows,
[is] God in his holy habitation.
6 God setteth the solitary (orphans) in families:
he bringeth out those which are bound with chains (slaves):
but the rebellious dwell in a dry [land].

7 O God, when thou wentest forth before thy people,
when thou didst march through the wilderness;
Selah:

8 The earth shook, the heavens also dropped at the presence of God: [even] Sinai itself [was moved] at the presence of God, the God of Israel.

9 Thou, O God, didst send a plentiful rain, whereby thou didst confirm thine inheritance, when it was weary (tired and thirsty).
10 Thy congregation hath dwelt therein:
thou, O God, hast prepared of thy goodness for the poor.

11 The Lord gave the word (Hebrew: אֹמֶר = "utterance, speech, word, saying, promise, command"): great [was] the company of those that published [it].

12 Kings of armies did flee apace: and she that tarried at home divided the spoil. 13 Though ye have lien (lain) among the pots (stalls), [yet shall ye be as] the wings of a dove covered with silver, and her feathers with yellow gold.

(A dove flying away with treasure! We read that God said in Exodus 3:19-22 (KJV) -
19 "And I am sure that the king of Egypt will not let you go, no, not by a mighty hand. 20 And I will stretch out my hand, and smite Egypt with all my wonders which I will do in the midst thereof: and after that he will let you go. 21 And I will give this people favour in the sight of the Egyptians: and it shall come to pass, that, when ye go, ye shall not go empty: 22 But every woman shall borrow of her neighbour, and of her that sojourneth in her house, jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment: and ye shall put [them] upon your sons, and upon your daughters; and ye shall spoil the Egyptians." And, that happened in Exodus 12:35-36 (KJV) - 35 And the children of Israel did according to the word of Moses; and they borrowed of the Egyptians jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment: 36 And the LORD gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent unto them [such things as they required]. And they spoiled the Egyptians.)

14 When the Almighty scattered kings in it, it was [white] as snow in Salmon. 15 The hill of God [is as] the hill of Bashan; an high hill [as] the hill of Bashan. 16 Why leap ye, ye high hills? [this is] the hill [which] God desireth to dwell in; yea, the LORD will dwell [in it] for ever.

17 The chariots of God [are] twenty thousand, [even] thousands of angels:
the Lord [is] among them, [as in] Sinai, in the holy [place]. 18 THOU HAST ASCENDED ON HIGH, THOU HAST LED CAPTIVITY CAPTIVE: THOU HAST RECEIVED GIFTS FOR MEN; 
yea, [for] the rebellious also,
that the LORD God might dwell [among them].

19 Blessed [be] the Lord, [who] daily loadeth us [with benefits, even] the God of our salvation. Selah.

20 [He that is] our God [is] the God of salvation (deliverance; rescue); and unto GOD the Lord [belong] the issues (the exoduses) from death.

21 But God shall wound the head of his enemies, [and] the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses.

22 The Lord said, "I will bring again from Bashan, I will bring [my people] again from the depths of the sea: 23 That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of [thine] enemies, [and] the tongue of thy dogs in the same."

24 They have seen thy goings, O God; [even] the goings (a procession or march, a caravan) of my God, my King, in the sanctuary (the holy place).

25 The singers went before,
the players on instruments [followed] after;
among [them were] the damsels playing with timbrels.

26 Bless ye God ('Eel) in the congregations, [even] the Lord ('Adonaay), from the fountain of Israel.
27 There [is] little Benjamin [with] their ruler,
the princes of Judah [and] their council,
the princes of Zebulun,
[and] the princes of Naphtali.

28 Thy God hath commanded thy strength:
strengthen, O God, that which thou hast wrought for us.

29 Because of thy temple at Jerusalem shall kings bring presents unto thee.
30 Rebuke the company of spearmen, the multitude of the bulls, with the calves of the people, [till every one] submit himself with pieces of silver: scatter thou the people
[that] delight in war.
31 Princes shall come out of Egypt;
Ethiopia shall soon stretch out her hands unto God.
32 Sing unto God, ye kingdoms of the earth; O sing praises unto the Lord; Selah:

33 To him that rideth upon the heavens of heavens, [which were] of old; lo, he doth send out his voice, [and that] a mighty voice.
34 Ascribe ye strength unto God: his excellency [is] over Israel,
and his strength [is] in the clouds.

35 O God, [thou art] terrible out of thy holy places (Hebrew: מִמִּקְדָּשֶׁיךָ = "from-thy-holies"):
the God of Israel [is] he that giveth strength and power unto [his] people.

Blessed [be] God!

This song begins with the RESCUE FROM EGYPT AND THE EXODUS! THEY were the "captivity led captive" through the wilderness!

God first DESCENDED (or CONdescended) to the earth (which is lower than the heavens or the skies) when He rescued Israel from Egypt, and He did it again when Yeeshuwa` was created in the womb of a virgin!

I'm not saying this to someone who doesn't know the Scriptures; it's just that not everyone makes the CONNECTION unless it is fresh in one's mind. This is WHY I quote so much Scripture! (It will help if one takes the time to read the post.)

Dear Brother, you have gone to great lengths to make a simple statement mean something else.  Our Lord Jesus gave a sign of a man who went "down" - Jonah. He then ROSE after 3 days. Language transmits ideas and there is NO AMBIGUITY and every reason to believe that our Lord went "down" to the "heart of the earth" (Matt.12:40). Acts Chapter 2 says that God did not leave His "SOUL" in Hades.

There is no such thing as a "fictional reading". There is only "reading" and believing what you have just read.


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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

 

May the reader judge if you addressed my points or not.

But I will answer your belief that Jesus was not judged. What then is this? 

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all. (Eph.1:20–23).

Ephesians 1:20-23 it is from Paul's epistle. And Paul has repeatedly take the stand that Jesus is beyond any Judgement. 

In this passage Paul describes the Glory and Power God bestowed upon Jesus Christ. 

When the Father welcome his younger son and he said my Son was dead and now he is alive: Did he judged him? Or order that he will be dressed up with the Robe of an Arhon and be given the ring with the seal of the Arhon. 

Jesus never said that he will be Judged by anyone but only from the people the Leaders of the Jews. 

Jesus before he died let the people know because he spoke in public that all are well between him and the Heavenly Father and he said that the Devil has nothing in him. 

And he let know everyone that he is in full obedience to God that it was God who asked him to die on the Cross. This is how he let the people know that God had asked him to die on the Cross it is when he said something knowing that he was about to die and enter the realm of the dead that he said that I am still in good standing with God and in obedience to him and I trust that he is in charge and all will be well with me as he was about to die and enter or descend in the Realm of the dead.  

He let the people know that he will die and he is just about to die and as the Father was with him while on earth and in his body now I trust him that all will be well while I am in the heart of the earth in the realm of the dead and all the way down to the lowest parts of the underworld so everyone will see him and know that Jesus Christ is Lord. That they have seen the Lord and they bow their heads down to him. They did not try to attack him. Never Jesus said that he will be Judged by his Father. 

To the contrary he said: I have the power to put down my Life and also have the power to take it up. 

And I have the power to go up to Heaven and come down. 

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Posted (edited)

 

Jesus said that God will take care of his Spirit. When Jesus said that His Spirit was still in him as he had not died yet but soon he will die and said that everything is in the hands of God, in his providence and nothing will happen to me when I will die and be in the Spirit. This is it, upon death he was not in the body but without the body. His body was on earth and his Spirit Man was at that time with Abraham and Issac and JACOB all all the righteous children of Abraham. And John the Baptist. 

They only people who were waiting for Jesus to die were Abraham and Issac and JACOB and all the sons of Jacob the Israelites because they knew that the only way to come to them in the Inheritance God gave to Abraham and to his children after death it was for Jesus to die because they also descended down there after they died. 

This the Jews call a Spirit the state of man out of the body.

When the body cannot sustain life as a result of suffocating or heart failure or from lost blood from natural causes or by a sudden violen act. Or by an explosion or by chemical damage. His Spiritual been continious to live because is eternal. Definitely it cannot continue to co-exist with the physical body as the physical body is dead. 

This is what the scripture says that every one in the New Covenant in Jesus Christ been the Judge of all. Everyone will be Judged according to his faith in Jesus Christ for the final judgment to weather he had heard the Gospel and had all the changes while he yet lives to believe. After death it does not count only while he is still alive and in the body. 

 

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Posted
12 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Ephesians 1:20-23 it is from Paul's epistle. And Paul has repeatedly take the stand that Jesus is beyond any Judgement. 

In this passage Paul describes the Glory and Power God bestowed upon Jesus Christ. 

When the Father welcome his younger son and he said my Son was dead and now he is alive: Did he judged him? Or order that he will be dressed up with the Robe of an Arhon and be given the ring with the seal of the Arhon. 

Jesus never said that he will be Judged by anyone but only from the people the Leaders of the Jews. 

Jesus before he died let the people know because he spoke in public that all are well between him and the Heavenly Father and he said that the Devil has nothing in him. 

And he let know everyone that he is in full obedience to God that it was God who asked him to die on the Cross. This is how he let the people know that God had asked him to die on the Cross it is when he said something knowing that he was about to die and enter the realm of the dead that he said that I am still in good standing with God and in obedience to him and I trust that he is in charge and all will be well with me as he was about to die and enter or descend in the Realm of the dead.  

He let the people know that he will die and he is just about to die and as the Father was with him while on earth and in his body now I trust him that all will be well while I am in the heart of the earth in the realm of the dead and all the way down to the lowest parts of the underworld so everyone will see him and know that Jesus Christ is Lord. That they have seen the Lird and they bow their heads down to him. They did not try to attack him. Never Jesus said that he will be Judged by his Father. 

To the contrary he said: I have the power to put down my Life and also gave the power to take it up. 

And I have the power to go up to Heaven and come down. 

Maybe you can answer the scriptures I posted and their grammar. Our Lord Jesus DID something that the Father highly prized. The Father administered a REWARD. This implies that the Father JUDGED Him worthy. Our Lord Jesus had every right to refuse the Father's request that the innocent die for the guilty. He indicated in Gethsemane that He would rather the cup pass. But, despite sweating blood, He agreed to the horrors that any man who takes the SINS (yes, all of the needed to be paid for). If the Father esteemed Him highly AND REWARDED HIM, then God made a judgment. In our case, when the Lord returns He sits on a traveling throne and we must give an account. In Hebrews Jesus tells Mary that He must ascend to His Father (Jn.20:17). Hebrews tells why. To PRESENT His blood (Heb.9:12).

I cannot see any other meaning to be "counted worthy" without somebody making a JUDGMENT. 

1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; 2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house. 3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses ... (Heb 3:1–3.)


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10 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 

Jesus said that God will take care of his Spirit. When Jesus said that His Spirit was still in him as he had not died yet but soon he will die and said that everything is the hands of God and nothing will happen to be when I will die and be in the Spirit. This is it upon death he was not in the body but without the body.

This the Jews call a Spirit the state of man out of the body.

When the body cannot sustain life as a result of suffocating or heart failure or from lost blood from natural causes or by a sudden violen act. Or by an exploration or by chemical damage. His Spiritual been continious to live because is eternal. Definitely it cannot continue to co-exist with the physical body as the physical body is dead. 

This is what the scripture says that every one in the New Covenant in Jesus Christ been the Judge of all. Everyone will be Judged according to his faith in Jesus Christ for the final judgment to weather he had heard the Gospel and had all the changes while he yet lives to believe. After death it does not count only while he is still alive and in the body. 

 

I appreciate your point of view and thank you for the exchange. But let's discuss some scripture. It'll either support or refute our opinions. 

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15 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

Maybe you can answer the scriptures I posted and their grammar. Our Lord Jesus DID something that the Father highly prized. The Father administered a REWARD. This implies that the Father JUDGED Him worthy. Our Lord Jesus had every right to refuse the Father's request that the innocent die for the guilty. He indicated in Gethsemane that He would rather the cup pass. But, despite sweating blood, He agreed to the horrors that any man who takes the SINS (yes, all of the needed to be paid for). If the Father esteemed Him highly AND REWARDED HIM, then God made a judgment. In our case, when the Lord returns He sits on a traveling throne and we must give an account. In Hebrews Jesus tells Mary that He must ascend to His Father (Jn.20:17). Hebrews tells why. To PRESENT His blood (Heb.9:12).

I cannot see any other meaning to be "counted worthy" without somebody making a JUDGMENT. 

1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; 2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house. 3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses ... (Heb 3:1–3.)

From the context in your quoted post I understand that you never claimed that Jesus was JUDGED by God regarding Sin or any disobedience towards him.

Is that so? 


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8 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

This song begins with the RESCUE FROM EGYPT AND THE EXODUS! THEY were the "captivity led captive" through the wilderness!

I agree, in the Psalm it speaks of THE DELIVERANCE from Egypt but that is not the SUBJECT of the Psalm, and referencing that deliverance doesn't preclude it from SPEAKING TO others, as I see it.  
 

WHEN does Egypt deliverance come about in the Psalm and how quickly is it left??

1 {To the chief Musician, A Psalm or Song of David.} Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered: let them also that hate him flee before him.

2 As smoke is driven away, so drive them away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God.

3 But let the righteous be glad; let them rejoice before God: yea, let them exceedingly rejoice.

4 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him.

5A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.

6God setteth the solitary in families: he bringeth out those which are bound with chains: but the rebellious dwell in a dry land.


(Now is the DELIVERANCE from Egypt, God going forth before His people referenced) 

7O God, when thou wentest forth before thy people, when thou didst march through the wilderness;

Selah (connecting the verse above with what follows, MORE DELIVERANCE)

8 The earth shook, the heavens also dropped at the presence of God: even Sinai itself was moved at the presence of God, the God of Israel.

9 Thou, O God, didst send a plentiful rain, whereby thou didst confirm thine inheritance, when it was weary.

10 Thy congregation hath dwelt therein: thou, O God, hast prepared of thy goodness for the poor.

11 The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.

12 Kings (PLURAL) of armies did flee apace: and she that tarried at home divided the spoil.

13 Though ye have lien among the pots, yet shall ye be as the wings of a dove covered with silver, and her feathers with yellow gold.

14 When the Almighty scattered kings (PLURAL) in it, it was white as snow in Salmon.

15 The hill of God is as the hill of Bashan; an high hill as the hill of Bashan.

16 Why leap ye, ye high hills? this is the hill which God desireth to dwell in; yea, the LORD will dwell in it for ever.

17 The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.

18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.

19 Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah.

20He that is our God is the God of salvation; and unto GOD the Lord belong the issues from death.

21 But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses.

22The Lord said, I will bring again from Bashan, I will bring my people again from the depths of the sea:

23That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same.

24 They have seen thy goings, O God; even the goings of my God, my King, in the sanctuary.

25  The singers went before, the players on instruments followed after; among them were the damsels playing with timbrels.

26 Bless ye God in the congregations, even the Lord, from the fountain of Israel.

27 There is little Benjamin with their ruler, the princes of Judah and their council, the princes of Zebulun, and the princes of Naphtali.

28 Thy God hath commanded thy strength: strengthen, O God, that which thou hast wrought for us.

29 Because of thy temple at Jerusalem shall kings bring presents unto thee.

30 Rebuke the company of spearmen, the multitude of the bulls, with the calves of the people, till every one submit himself with pieces of silver: scatter thou the people that delight in war.

31 Princes shall come out of Egypt; Ethiopia shall soon stretch out her hands unto God.

32 Sing unto God, ye kingdoms of the earth; O sing praises unto the Lord; Selah:

33 To him that rideth upon the heavens of heavens, which were of old; lo, he doth send out his voice, and that a mighty voice.

34 Ascribe ye strength unto God: his excellency is over Israel, and his strength is in the clouds.

35 O God, thou art terrible out of thy holy places: the God of Israel is he that giveth strength and power unto his people. Blessed be God.


Now, we are given deliverance by Christ 

1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.


And that is why I disagree with you here.  


 


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Posted
12 hours ago, AdHoc said:

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28 SO CHRIST ...!!! (Heb 9:27–28a).

Greetings @AdHoc,
Hebrews 9 is about the perfect Sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. In verses 25 and 26 it is indicated that He did not have to be offered often for sins and suffer, but for this purpose He was manifested once.

The parallel is continued
and the similarity in verses 26, 27 and 28 is expressed by the word 'once'. The 'once' death of man, and the 'once' sacrifice of the Lamb of God!
It was appointed for man to die 'once', and after that the judgment. (v27) And it was appointed for Jesus Christ to die once, that after that He might be clothed in the majesty of God's glory.
Because of this, in the New Testament, the people who love and worship the Lord Jesus Christ will no longer come into judgment, but they will see Him after their death and receive salvation from Him. (v28) Hallelujah!

Frits


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Greetings @AdHoc,
Hebrews 9 is about the perfect Sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. In verses 25 and 26 it is indicated that He did not have to be offered often for sins and suffer, but for this purpose He was manifested once.

The parallel is continued
and the similarity in verses 26, 27 and 28 is expressed by the word 'once'. The 'once' death of man, and the 'once' sacrifice of the Lamb of God!
It was appointed for man to die 'once', and after that the judgment. (v27) And it was appointed for Jesus Christ to die once, that after that He might be clothed in the majesty of God's glory.
Because of this, in the New Testament, the people who love and worship the Lord Jesus Christ will no longer come into judgment, but they will see Him after their death and receive salvation from Him. (v28) Hallelujah!

Frits

Good morning, Frits,

On “Once,” I’d like to hear your thoughts on the verse below. Considering Enoch, Elijah, Lazarus, Jarid’s daughter, the many asleep raised and seen in the Holy City, etc., are there exceptions for figurative types and shadows?

Hebrews 9:27 (KJV) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

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