Yes, Jesus meant TODAY in his message to the thief on the cross

[Alive]

Often the word judgement is confused with condemnation. We in Christ will all be judged…judgement in the sense of a determination of faithfulness to what each has been given light…then Grace. Grace, to those in Christ is the ruler. The applicable reality for us is unmerited favor and each of us will find Joy in this.

[AdHoc]

7 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

God promised to Abraham to  provide the Lamb. Issac is not that Lamb but He will provide the Lamb. Someone with a uniqueness that sets him apart from Issac. 

God announced Issac's birth by an Angel before he was born who named him Issac in a similar way God announced the birth of Jesus by an Angel who called his name Jesus. 

God also announced the birth of John the Baptist by an Angel who called him John.

And we have Samson. God also announced his birth by an Angel who called him Samson. 

And Samuel when God announced his birth by the High Priest. 

In Isaac's and John the Baptist and Samson's and Samuel births their birth was announced also to their Fathers. By an Angel who called their name. And thus we know their Fathers. 

But the distinction is made with Jesus when his birth was announced by the Archangel Gabriel only to Mary his mother to be. 

Every one of them had a proud father to boast that he is my son but not the same with Jesus when Joshef said I am not his Father, I have nothing to do with him till the Angel announced to him that he is from God and asked him to take care of the unborn baby as if it was his own. 

At the Baptist of Jesus in the Jordan River God gave the witness that Jesus was his Son. 

God asked his Son Jesus to die on the Cross.

Jesus said just before the Cross that there is no any other way to accomplish what he had to accomplish without dieing on the Cross. 

Jesus knew that he had to die. He willingly march to his death to the Cross. Jesus knew that if he does not died he cannot be glorified. 

Before hand he Knew that the Father will give him the Heavenly Kingdom and sit him on the Throne to his right only after he dies on the Cross. 

After the Cross God fulfilled his part of the Agreement he had with Jesus Christ when Jesus died on the Cross. 

And God kept his word. 

It was an agreement between Jesus and his Father. 

Jesus did what the Father had asked him and the Heavenly Father kept his word and did to Jesus what had promised before hand that he will do. God did not have a choice He was bound by his own word. Jesus die first in obedience to him then He had to do what He had to do. To keep  his word and do what he had promised to do. 

Do we call this a Judgment? 

I more or less agree with what you have written. But there is a part you have left out.

1. Can a righteous God require that the innocent pay for the wicked.? It was the Father's will, but Jesus must decide

2. Hebrews 12:7 says: 

Hebrews 12:1–3 says;
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

The red indicates that a reward was set before Him - an incentive. That He was not in agreement with what lay before Him is clear from His words in Gethsemane. "IF IT BE POSSIBLE .... NEVERTHELESS ... and then He sweated blood for fear.

 

[Alive]

1 minute ago, AdHoc said:

I more or less agree with what you have written. But there is a part you have left out.

1. Can a righteous God require that the innocent pay for the wicked.? It was the Father's will, but Jesus must decide

2. Hebrews 12:7 says: 

Hebrews 12:1–3 says;
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

The red indicates that a reward was set before Him - an incentive. That He was not in agreement with what lay before Him is clear from His words in Gethsemane. "IF IT BE POSSIBLE .... NEVERTHELESS ... and then He sweated blood for fear.

 

Amen! None of us can fathom the pressures on Jesus.

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, AdHoc said:

I more or less agree with what you have written. But there is a part you have left out.

1. Can a righteous God require that the innocent pay for the wicked.? It was the Father's will, but Jesus must decide

2. Hebrews 12:7 says: 

Hebrews 12:1–3 says;
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

The red indicates that a reward was set before Him - an incentive. That He was not in agreement with what lay before Him is clear from His words in Gethsemane. "IF IT BE POSSIBLE .... NEVERTHELESS ... and then He sweated blood for fear.

 

I understand that Jesus had to yield himself to the will of God and he did that willingly and he knew for some time that he will die and how it will happen. 

I understand that while he was going through the humiliation he knew that it was not for selfish ambition but to accomplish the redemption in his blood and to shed the blood of the New Covenant. 

Thank you for bringing this up you must have a good reason. 

Edited yesterday at 01:37 AM by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

4 hours ago, Locust said:

a pole with cross member was not the only way Rome put men to death . the cross member was used to extend the torture . 3-4 days 

The Roman governors had the discretion to improvised on the Cross as they would.

Each man to be executed was not the same build and weight. For that reason they would have to build a Cross to fit the condemn person. The point is to have a record of the person judged condemned and executed and the witness of the Roman Captain who Certified his death.

And for a deferent to let him hang dead on the Cross for others to see what it may  happen to them if they come against the Roman Empire. 

This is against the grain to allowed the man of Arimanthea to take Jesus down from the Cross. 

This man must have offered Pilate a good gift. Good questions you do have an inquiring mind and you are looking for specific details. Nothing wrong about that. They make me think and I have the time. God bless. 

[Your closest friendnt]

5 hours ago, Alive said:

Often the word judgement is confused with condemnation. We in Christ will all be judged…judgement in the sense of a determination of faithfulness to what each has been given light…then Grace. Grace, to those in Christ is the ruler. The applicable reality for us is unmerited favor and each of us will find Joy in this.

That comes during our lives so we become conscious about something and have the chance to do something about it. Thank you for posting. 

[farouk]

14 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

That comes during our lives so we become conscious about something and have the chance to do something about it. Thank you for posting. 

The message of the Cross is very searching indeed. Philippians 2 particularly is very searching about the Lord Jesus becoming 'obedient unto death, even the death of the Cross'.

[farouk]

6 hours ago, Alive said:

Amen! None of us can fathom the pressures on Jesus.

"But none of the ransomed ever knew 

How deep were the waters crossed

Nor how dark was the night that the Lord passed through

'Ere He found His sheep that were lost."

[Your closest friendnt]

6 minutes ago, farouk said:

"But none of the ransomed ever knew 

How deep were the waters crossed

Nor how dark was the night that the Lord passed through

'Ere He found His sheep that were lost."

Psalm 23 it is as if it was written for Jesus Christ. 

 Not exactly. Just about. 
1.The Lord is my shepherd, I lack nothing.
2     He makes me lie down in green pastures,
he leads me beside quiet waters,
3     he refreshes my soul.
He guides me along the right paths
    for his name’s sake.
4 Even though I walk
    through the darkest valley,[a]
I will fear no evil,
    for you are with me;
your rod and your staff,
    they comfort me.

5 You prepare a table before me
    in the presence of my enemies.
You anoint my head with oil;
    my cup overflows.
6 Surely your goodness and love will follow me
    all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the house of the Lord
    forever

 

[farouk]

"At the Cross, at the Cross, where I first saw the light

And the burden of my heart rolled away,

It was there by faith I received my sight

And now I am happy (blessed) all the day."