Yes, Jesus meant TODAY in his message to the thief on the cross

[Frits]

42 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Rom 11:23-24  And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again

For God all things are possible, but the condition of verse 23 remains, that they must believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the true God. An alternative way of salvation to come to God is there for no one, no matter to which race or nation on earth one belongs!

[Locust]

12 hours ago, Frits said:

Thank you @Michael37, because the Greek word "ekklesia" means church. Indeed, taken from the nation of Israel and given to the church.

not so sure about that 

"Ekklesia" (ἐκκλησία) is a Greek word that is typically translated as "church" in English translations of the Bible. It refers to an assembly, congregation, or gathering of people, often with a specific purpose or identity. In the New Testament, it is used to describe the Christian community. 

[AdHoc]

On 4/30/2025 at 9:12 PM, Frits said:

But in the New Covenant the Lord gives His law in the inward parts of His children, and writes it in their hearts.

- The people from the house of Israel, who love the Lord Jesus Christ and worship Him, He will be to them as God and they will be to Him as people: that is the true Israel of God, to which believers from the Gentiles were later added.

These are the believers from the Jews and believers from the Gentiles, yes, only that is the true Israel!

Let us see. You say the above - that God gives His Law in the inward parts OF HIS CHILDREN. But the Lord said in Jeremiah 31:31-33 that he will put His Laws in ISRAELITES. Paul, in Romans 9 defines an Israelite BRETHREN ACCORDING TO THE FLESH! (vs.3-4). But John I says 

 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God (Jn.1:13).

You say "believers are the True Israel" But without a single verse. But Peter, under inspiration calls upon "YE men of ISRAEL" ... "you have killed the prince of Life". Israel is mentioned 2,566 times in the Bile. "True Israel" is never ever mentioned. You have had added the flesh to the Spirit and entered an illegal concept. But this is not all. the Israel that will receive the New Covenant had "FATHERS" (plural) but believers have only ONE FATHER - Jehovah. And you make these "fathers" to have sired Israelites which are "UNTRUE Israelites". Was it not Israel that came from the loins of ISRAEL (Jacob)?

I must say that you teach directly against scripture. But let us see if even your time in the judgment seat was fruitful. I am condemned for celebrating a hunt by having a brandy or two. But, in conjunction with the tithe God ORDERS the following; 

24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: 25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: 26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, (Deut.14:24–26).

But perhaps you like to judge God Himself, for the Vine, when asked to leave off his produce to be made king, said; 

13 And the vine said unto them, Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees? (Jdg.9:13).

Jesus is the True Vine. What think ye? Does God, Creator of the vine, make it for grape juice (which cannot occur in nature)? Or do you think that the fruit of Christ is so profound that it "cheereth God"?

But do I blame you? No. Which man beside our Lord Jesus has all truth? No-one! But if you are told that something exist which you've never seen before, at least consider the man's arguments. Calling him a fool without a counter argument only makes your style foolish.

Israel is a Nation of men who were born according to the flesh. They refused the overtures of Christ - the rebirth. The Israelites who embraced Christ are NOT ISRAEL. They are the NEW MAN and within this New Man there are NO JEWS, and the Law has been nailed to Christ's cross for them (Eph.2:15, 2nd Cor.5:17, Gal.3:28). Those who abide in Law are subject to Law.

[Alive]

24 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

Let us see. You say the above - that God gives His Law in the inward parts OF HIS CHILDREN. But the Lord said in Jeremiah 31:31-33 that he will put His Laws in ISRAELITES. Paul, in Romans 9 defines an Israelite BRETHREN ACCORDING TO THE FLESH! (vs.3-4). But John I says 

 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God (Jn.1:13).

You say "believers are the True Israel" But without a single verse. But Peter, under inspiration calls upon "YE men of ISRAEL" ... "you have killed the prince of Life". Israel is mentioned 2,566 times in the Bile. "True Israel" is never ever mentioned. You have had added the flesh to the Spirit and entered an illegal concept. But this is not all. the Israel that will receive the New Covenant had "FATHERS" (plural) but believers have only ONE FATHER - Jehovah. And you make these "fathers" to have sired Israelites which are "UNTRUE Israelites". Was it not Israel that came from the loins of ISRAEL (Jacob)?

I must say that you teach directly against scripture. But let us see if even your time in the judgment seat was fruitful. I am condemned for celebrating a hunt by having a brandy or two. But, in conjunction with the tithe God ORDERS the following; 

24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: 25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: 26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, (Deut.14:24–26).

But perhaps you like to judge God Himself, for the Vine, when asked to leave off his produce to be made king, said; 

13 And the vine said unto them, Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees? (Jdg.9:13).

Jesus is the True Vine. What think ye? Does God, Creator of the vine, make it for grape juice (which cannot occur in nature)? Or do you think that the fruit of Christ is so profound that it "cheereth God"?

But do I blame you? No. Which man beside our Lord Jesus has all truth? No-one! But if you are told that something exist which you've never seen before, at least consider the man's arguments. Calling him a fool without a counter argument only makes your style foolish.

Israel is a Nation of men who were born according to the flesh. They refused the overtures of Christ - the rebirth. The Israelites who embraced Christ are NOT ISRAEL. They are the NEW MAN and within this New Man there are NO JEWS, and the Law has been nailed to Christ's cross for them (Eph.2:15, 2nd Cor.5:17, Gal.3:28). Those who abide in Law are subject to Law.

Amen! If I may say…well done.

[AdHoc]

5 hours ago, Alive said:

Amen! If I may say…well done.

Thank you. There is more.

Cc. @Michael37 @Marston @Luther @Locust @Frits @Your closest friendnt and others

A. The New Covenant is NOT to be made with the Jews who were faithful. It is made with:

1. Israel - the northern Tribes who were dispersed for their evil and lost

2. Judah who was carried off to Babylon for evil and, of which less than 3% returned to build the House of God again

3. The fathers of the twelve Tribes who were unfaithful and broke the Covenant with the golden calf straight after ratification

B. Christians are NOT given a new hearts, and new spirit and NOT given the Law

1. Christians original spirit is born again not made new (Jn.3:6)

2. Christians "hearts" are transformed by the Holy Spirit (2. Cor.3:18) - NOT made new.

3. The law, besides being nailed to the cross for Christians (Eph.2:15), regulates the king of Israel, the Sabbath, the Levitical Priesthood and the Passover - all Jewish things. The Christian is warned against the Law.

C. Replacement theology is not a doctrine of who will get the Millennial Kingdom. It is a doctrine of who will get all the promises of God to Israel.

D. Galatians 6:16 is used by such theologians to show that Israel and the Church are the same. The grammar speaks for the opposite. The word "and" is a conjunction. I is copulative, cumulative and sequential. It introduces one more different thing. "The bread AND butter". Next, the immediate context makes two separate things - the circumcision and those with another rule. Next, the overall text sets a context CONTRASTING ISRAEL and the CHURCH.

E. Replacement theology is only there to thwart God's New Testament economy of giving up the world for the gospel's sake. It was widely used by the Roman Church to sell indulgences.

[AdHoc]

On 5/1/2025 at 12:40 PM, Frits said:

For God all things are possible, but the condition of verse 23 remains, that they must believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the true God. An alternative way of salvation to come to God is there for no one, no matter to which race or nation on earth one belongs!

That Israel will be "saved" is not contested. But pray, tell us how "ALL Israel" is saved. Every Israelite who ever lived, including those killed and those carried off for idol worship, those who embraced Babylon and those who murdered our Lord Jesus, are Israel. These died in UNBELIEF but will be saved. How so?

Maybe you can also tell us how the under-two-year-olds, who, slaughtered by Herod, never lived to believe, yet are Abraham's seed, will be saved?

[Locust]

On 5/1/2025 at 6:40 AM, Frits said:

that they must believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the true God.

I bet if we were to check it would be Jesus is the son of God

[Michael37]

4 minutes ago, Locust said:

I bet if we were to check it would be Jesus is the son of God

. . . as well.

[Alive]

As I see it, in each economy if you will…God kept a remnant for Himself.

[Luther]

2 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Thank you. There is more.

Cc. @Michael37 @Marston @Luther @Locust @Frits @Your closest friendnt and others

A. The New Covenant is NOT to be made with the Jews who were faithful. It is made with:

1. Israel - the northern Tribes who were dispersed for their evil and lost

2. Judah who was carried off to Babylon for evil and, of which less than 3% returned to build the House of God again

3. The fathers of the twelve Tribes who were unfaithful and broke the Covenant with the golden calf straight after ratification

B. Christians are NOT given a new hearts, and new spirit and NOT given the Law

1. Christians original spirit is born again not made new (Jn.3:6)

2. Christians "hearts" are transformed by the Holy Spirit (2. Cor.3:18) - NOT made new.

3. The law, besides being nailed to the cross for Christians (Eph.2:15), regulates the king of Israel, the Sabbath, the Levitical Priesthood and the Passover - all Jewish things. The Christian is warned against the Law.

C. Replacement theology is not a doctrine of who will get the Millennial Kingdom. It is a doctrine of who will get all the promises of God to Israel.

D. Galatians 6:16 is used by such theologians to show that Israel and the Church are the same. The grammar speaks for the opposite. The word "and" is a conjunction. I is copulative, cumulative and sequential. It introduces one more different thing. "The bread AND butter". Next, the immediate context makes two separate things - the circumcision and those with another rule. Next, the overall text sets a context CONTRASTING ISRAEL and the CHURCH.

E. Replacement theology is only there to thwart God's New Testament economy of giving up the world for the gospel's sake. It was widely used by the Roman Church to sell indulgences.

Romans 3:23-24 KJV
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

[24] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Romans 3:29-30 KJV
Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

[30] Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

Why oh why do we have to compartmentalize everyone? In the end it all comes down to eternal life, and no one comes to the Father but by Christ.