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I'm understanding this to say that, when Jesus returns, he will bring with him all of the Christians who previously died. Am I understanding this correctly? Thanks.

 

1 Thessalonians 4:14

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14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep.

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That's what it says

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On 3/11/2025 at 12:38 AM, Marston said:

I'm understanding this to say that, when Jesus returns, he will bring with him all of the Christians who previously died. Am I understanding this correctly? Thanks.

 

1 Thessalonians 4:14

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14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep.

Jude “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints”

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On 3/11/2025 at 2:38 AM, Marston said:

I'm understanding this to say that, when Jesus returns, he will bring with him all of the Christians who previously died. Am I understanding this correctly? Thanks.

 

1 Thessalonians 4:14

English Standard Version

14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep.

John 5:28-29 KJV

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, [29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

I appears that God is bringing all the souls of His people with Him to be united with their new resurrected bodies at the last day. I also notice the word        " all"  which would mean every person that ever lived, resurrected at the last day:

John 6:39-40,44,54 KJV

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

[40] And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

[44] No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

[54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:24 KJV

Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

The last day is judgment day:

John 12:48 KJV

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

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15 minutes ago, Luther said:

John 5:28-29 KJV

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, [29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

I appears that God is bringing all the souls of His people with Him to be united with their new resurrected bodies at the last day. I also notice the word        " all"  which would mean every person that ever lived, resurrected at the last day:

John 6:39-40,44,54 KJV

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

[40] And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

[44] No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

[54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:24 KJV

Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

The last day is judgment day:

John 12:48 KJV

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

None of that directly addresses the topic.

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On 3/11/2025 at 5:38 PM, Marston said:

I'm understanding this to say that, when Jesus returns, he will bring with him all of the Christians who previously died. Am I understanding this correctly? Thanks.

 

1 Thessalonians 4:14

English Standard Version

14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep.

Hi Maston,

Yes, when Jesus comes He will bring all the spirits of the Christians who had died for He is gathering the whole Body of Christ. It is then a complete unit with Christ as the Head. 

The spirits of the righteous OT saints will still be in heaven awaiting their reward. 

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1 hour ago, TheBlade said:

Jude “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints”

That is a wrong translation. It is `Holy Ones,` and that is when Jesus comes to earth at the end of the trib. with His angelic army. 

Holy Ones can be either angels or saints. Thus we need to see who Jesus says He will bring with Him when He comes to judge the world and deliver Israel.

`When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him...` (Matt. 25: 31)

`the Son of Man comes in His glory, & in the glory of the holy angels.`  (Luke 9: 26)

`when Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God,..` (2 Thess. 1: 7)

 

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1 hour ago, Marston said:

 

None of that directly addresses the topic.

Each and every person chosen to salvation, since the beginning of the world, will be resurrected at the last day, when Jesus comes with the souls that were with Him, they will be united with their new resurrected bodies, to live forever with Him. Amen. 

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2 minutes ago, Luther said:

Each and every person chosen to salvation, since the beginning of the world, will be resurrected at the last day, when Jesus comes with the souls that were with Him, they will be united with their new resurrected bodies, to live forever with Him. Amen. 

Actually only those IN CHRIST will come when the Lord is sent to gather His Body. 

`God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.` (1 Thess. 4: 14)

Luther, you are confusing the purposes of the 3 groups - Body of Christ, Israel and the Nations. Different groups and different inheritances. 

People are only of the chosen (in Christ) when they receive Jesus not before.

And John 5: 28 & 29 revealing the resurrection of the dead, is at the end of the millennium. Note - in the graves. At the rapture many will NOT be in the graves. Different time, different purpose. 

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Here is a good treatise on this subject
What is the order for the resurrection of the saints? | Verse By Verse Ministry International

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