the Resurrection

[Retrobyter]

On 3/15/2025 at 4:47 PM, Anne2 said:

What about Christ our high priest.. Could this apply to the musings in this thread at all?

Heb 1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

 Heb4:14  Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15  For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16  Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Heb 6:17  Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath: {confirmed … : Gr. interposed himself by }
18  That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
19  Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
20  Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
 

 Heb 8:4  For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

Shalom, @Anne2.

In these verses, it's important to "drop the other shoe," so to speak. Look at the context, and see how they apply to the topic. For instance, continue reading the context of Hebrews 1:3:

Hebrews 1:1-14 (KJV)

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 Being made so much better than the angels (messengers), as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time,

"Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee" (Psalm 2:7, the DECREE OF GOD'S AUTHORITY GIVEN TO THE MESSIAH) ?

And again,

"I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son" (2 Samuel 7:14 and 1 Chronicles 17:13, the DAVIDIC COVENANT) ?

 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,

"And let all the angels (messengers) of God (prophets) worship him." (Deuteronomy 32:43)

7 And of the angels (messengers) he saith,

"Who maketh his angels (messengers) spirits, and his ministers (servants) a flame of fire." (Psalm 104:4)

8 But unto the Son [he saith],

(To God, the Father:) "Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 (To the Messiah, the Son:) "Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." (Psalm 45:6-7)

10 And,

"Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail." (Psalm 102:25-27)

13 But to which of the angels (messengers) said he at any time,

"Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool" (Psalm 110:1) ?

14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation (the rescue; the deliverance)?

One must also look ahead through this book to ...

Hebrews 10:11-13 (KJV)

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting (anticipating) till his enemies be made his footstool.

Paul told us in the "Resurrection Chapter,"

1 Corinthians 15:20-28 (KJV)

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order:

(0) Christ the firstfruits;
(1) afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 (2) Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death. 27 For

"he hath put all things under his feet." (Psalm 8:6)

{But when he saith "all things are put under [him," it is] manifest (obviously revealed) that "he" (G0d) is excepted (is the exception), which did "put all things under" him (the Messiah).}

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that "put all things under him," that God may be all in all.

The book of Hebrews was written TO the children of Israel - the Hebrews - who also believed in the fact that Yeeshuwa` is the Messiah of God who shall come again:

Hebrews 9:28 (KJV)

28 So Christ (the Messiah) was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation (rescue; deliverance).

Both the Hebrew title, "Messiah" (Greek title, "Christ") and the words "the Son" (a reference to the Davidic Covenant) refer to the fact that Yeeshuwa` shall be the King of Israel when He returns.

[Frits]

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

(To God, the Father:) "Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 (To the Messiah, the Son:) "Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." (Psalm 45:6-7)

@Retrobyter

Why do you add to Scripture twice? Do you not know that if you add to Scripture, the plagues that are written in Scripture will be added to you?!! (Rev.22:18)

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book

 

The words I underline are not in Scripture at all, but you have added them wrongly:

 

"But unto the Son [he said],

(To God, the Father:) "Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 (To the Messiah, the Son:) "Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." 

 

But this is what the Bible says:

Heb 1:8-9 KJV 

8 But unto the Son he said, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 

 

"The Son" is Jesus Christ.

You see that in v8 it is said to Jesus Christ: Thy throne, O God,..

The Lord Jesus Christ is according to the Bible the true God.

And also in v9 the Lord Jesus Christ is called God.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

 

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[Locust]

i really don't care for the KJV. sooo to take away the contradiction of scripture

8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.

9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.

[Anne2]

9 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, @Anne2.

In these verses, it's important to "drop the other shoe," so to speak. Look at the context, and see how they apply to the topic. For instance, continue reading the context of Hebrews 1:3:

Hebrews 1:1-14 (KJV)

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 Being made so much better than the angels (messengers), as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time,

"Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee" (Psalm 2:7, the DECREE OF GOD'S AUTHORITY GIVEN TO THE MESSIAH) ?

And again,

"I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son" (2 Samuel 7:14 and 1 Chronicles 17:13, the DAVIDIC COVENANT) ?

 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,

"And let all the angels (messengers) of God (prophets) worship him." (Deuteronomy 32:43)

7 And of the angels (messengers) he saith,

"Who maketh his angels (messengers) spirits, and his ministers (servants) a flame of fire." (Psalm 104:4)

8 But unto the Son [he saith],

(To God, the Father:) "Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 (To the Messiah, the Son:) "Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." (Psalm 45:6-7)

10 And,

"Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail." (Psalm 102:25-27)

13 But to which of the angels (messengers) said he at any time,

"Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool" (Psalm 110:1) ?

14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation (the rescue; the deliverance)?

One must also look ahead through this book to ...

Hebrews 10:11-13 (KJV)

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting (anticipating) till his enemies be made his footstool.

Paul told us in the "Resurrection Chapter,"

1 Corinthians 15:20-28 (KJV)

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order:

(0) Christ the firstfruits;
(1) afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 (2) Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death. 27 For

"he hath put all things under his feet." (Psalm 8:6)

{But when he saith "all things are put under [him," it is] manifest (obviously revealed) that "he" (G0d) is excepted (is the exception), which did "put all things under" him (the Messiah).}

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that "put all things under him," that God may be all in all.

The book of Hebrews was written TO the children of Israel - the Hebrews - who also believed in the fact that Yeeshuwa` is the Messiah of God who shall come again:

Hebrews 9:28 (KJV)

28 So Christ (the Messiah) was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation (rescue; deliverance).

Both the Hebrew title, "Messiah" (Greek title, "Christ") and the words "the Son" (a reference to the Davidic Covenant) refer to the fact that Yeeshuwa` shall be the King of Israel when He returns.

 

Concerning Christ and his resurrection. The subject of this thread???

I am talking about the High priest anointed (Chistou) being a representative agent before God. 

Heb 9:24  For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Ex 23:17  Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD.
 

The common people (Jew's) are strangers 02114 to do this in Gods house.

241 ἀλλογενής allogenes al-log-en-ace’

Ex 29:33  And they shall eat those things wherewith the atonement was made, to consecrate and to sanctify them: but a stranger <02114> shall not eat thereof, because they are holy.

Ex 30:33  Whosoever compoundeth any like it, or whosoever putteth any of it upon a stranger <02114>, shall even be cut off from his people.

Le 22:10  There shall no stranger <02114> eat of the holy thing: a sojourner of the priest, or an hired servant, shall not eat of the holy thing.

Le 22:12  If the priest’s daughter also be married unto a stranger <02114>, she may not eat of an offering of the holy things. {a stranger: Heb. a man a stranger }

Le 22:13  But if the priest’s daughter be a widow, or divorced, and have no child, and is returned unto her father’s house, as in her youth, she shall eat of her father’s meat: but there shall no stranger <02114> eat thereof.

Both Jew and Gentile have access through Jesus the CHRISTOU....of the new covenant.....

Eph 2:18  For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

The Levitical CHRISTOU was a shadow, and pattern of these heavenly realities we BOTH have NOW.

Just something to consider.......It is not limited to the JEW's ONLY

Edited March 17 by Anne2

[Frits]

8 hours ago, Locust said:

i really don't care for the KJV. sooo to take away the contradiction of scripture

Regarding Hebrews 1, there is no contradiction in the KJV at all, on the contrary, it is the best Bible I know.

One of the texts that clearly indicate that the Lord Jesus Christ is the true God, is written in full in the letter to the Hebrews.

When the JW were still reliable Bible students, they used the KJV, that says something.

But they have set up their own paradigm and made their own 'translation' and they deny that the Lord Jesus Christ is God, very bad! Letting go of the Bible and adapting it to your own taste, that is exactly why I reject this New World Trickery!

[farouk]

1 hour ago, Anne2 said:

 

Concerning Christ and his resurrection. The subject of this thread???

I am talking about the High priest anointed (Chistou) being a representative agent before God. 

Heb 9:24  For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Ex 23:17  Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD.
 

The common people (Jew's) are strangers 02114 to do this in Gods house.

241 ἀλλογενής allogenes al-log-en-ace’

Ex 29:33  And they shall eat those things wherewith the atonement was made, to consecrate and to sanctify them: but a stranger <02114> shall not eat thereof, because they are holy.

Ex 30:33  Whosoever compoundeth any like it, or whosoever putteth any of it upon a stranger <02114>, shall even be cut off from his people.

Le 22:10  There shall no stranger <02114> eat of the holy thing: a sojourner of the priest, or an hired servant, shall not eat of the holy thing.

Le 22:12  If the priest’s daughter also be married unto a stranger <02114>, she may not eat of an offering of the holy things. {a stranger: Heb. a man a stranger }

Le 22:13  But if the priest’s daughter be a widow, or divorced, and have no child, and is returned unto her father’s house, as in her youth, she shall eat of her father’s meat: but there shall no stranger <02114> eat thereof.

Both Jew and Gentile have access through Jesus the CHRISTOU....of the new covenant.....

Eph 2:18  For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

The Levitical CHRISTOU was a shadow, and pattern of these heavenly realities we BOTH have NOW.

Just something to consider.......It is not limited to the JEW's ONLY

Hi @Anne2

Ephesians 2.13-15: "But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

¹⁴ For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

¹⁵ Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace..."

[Anne2]

1 hour ago, farouk said:

Hi @Anne2

Ephesians 2.13-15: "But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

¹⁴ For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

¹⁵ Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace..."

Certainly this is a temple and priestly context.

In times past the Levitical Anointed one Did  bear the names of  The twelve tribes of Israel. Whereby they drew near...

Ex 28:4  And these are the garments which they shall make; a breastplate, and an ephod, and a robe, and a broidered coat, a mitre, and a girdle: and they shall make holy garments for Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he may minister unto me in the priest’s office.
5  And they shall take gold, and blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen.
6 ¶  And they shall make the ephod of gold, of blue, and of purple, of scarlet, and fine twined linen, with cunning work.
7  It shall have the two shoulderpieces thereof joined at the two edges thereof; and so it shall be joined together.
8  And the curious girdle of the ephod, which is upon it, shall be of the same, according to the work thereof; even of gold, of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen. {curious: or, embroidered }
9  And thou shalt take two onyx stones, and grave on them the names of the children of Israel:
10  Six of their names on one stone, and the other six names of the rest on the other stone, according to their birth.
11  With the work of an engraver in stone, like the engravings of a signet, shalt thou engrave the two stones with the names of the children of Israel: thou shalt make them to be set in ouches of gold.

in the breastplate of Judgement, upon his heart
Ex 28:29  And Aaron shall bear the names of the children of Israel in the breastplate of judgment upon his heart, when he goeth in unto the holy place, for a memorial before the LORD continually.

And upon Shoulders, the ephod... 
Ex 39:6  And they wrought onyx stones inclosed in ouches of gold, graven, as signets are graven, with the names of the children of Israel.

7  And he put them on the shoulders of the ephod, that they should be stones for a memorial to the children of Israel; as the LORD commanded Moses.
 
Ex 39:14  And the stones were according to the names of the children of Israel, twelve, according to their names, like the engravings of a signet, every one with his name, according to the twelve tribes.

Edited March 17 by Anne2

[Retrobyter]

6 hours ago, Frits said:

@Retrobyter

Why do you add to Scripture twice? Do you not know that if you add to Scripture, the plagues that are written in Scripture will be added to you?!! (Rev.22:18)

Shalom, @Frits.

i haven't, my friend. Go back and read the Hebrew of Psalm 45:

6 hours ago, Frits said:

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book

Frankly, this is a warning about the Revelation of Jesus Christ, not the entire Bible.

6 hours ago, Frits said:

The words I underline are not in Scripture at all, but you have added them wrongly:

"But unto the Son [he said],

(To God, the Father:) "Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 (To the Messiah, the Son:) "Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." 

 

But this is what the Bible says:

Heb 1:8-9 KJV 

8 But unto the Son he said, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 

 

"The Son" is Jesus Christ.

You see that in v8 it is said to Jesus Christ: Thy throne, O God,..

The Lord Jesus Christ is according to the Bible the true God.

And also in v9 the Lord Jesus Christ is called God.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

 

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No, Yeeshuwa` haMaashiyach (Yeeshuwa` the Messiah, the "Lord Jesus Christ") is NOT called "God" in verse 9, nor in verse 8!

The author of the book of Hebrews is not going to contradict the writer of Psalm 45. However, one must understand the WHOLE passage being quoted, rather than a part. When taken as a part, bad theology is the result. The portion being quoted is found in Hebrews 1:8 AND 9!

It comes from this Psalm:

Psalm 45 (KJV)

1 [[To the chief Musician upon Shoshannim, for the sons of Korah, Maschil,

A Song of loves.]]

My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue [is] the pen of a ready writer.

(Spoken to the king:)

2 "THOU art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into THY lips: therefore GOD hath blessed THEE for ever. 3 Gird THY sword upon [THY] thigh, O [most] mighty, with THY glory and THY majesty. 4 And in THY majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness [and] righteousness; and THY right hand shall teach THEE terrible things. 5 THINE arrows [are] sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; [whereby] the people fall under THEE."

(Spoken to God:)

6 "Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom [is] a right sceptre."

(Spoken to the king:)

7 "THOU lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, THY God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 8 All THY garments [smell] of myrrh, and aloes, [and] cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made THEE glad. 9 Kings' daughters [were] among THY honourable women: upon THY right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir."

(Spoken to the queen:)

10 "Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline THINE ear; forget also THINE own people, and THY father's house; 11 So shall the king greatly desire THY beauty: for he [is] THY Lord; and worship THOU him. 12 And the daughter of Tyre [shall be there] with a gift; [even] the rich among the people shall intreat THY favour."

(Spoken by God to the king:)

13 "The king's daughter [is] all glorious within: her clothing [is] of wrought gold. 14 She shall be brought unto the king in raiment of needlework: the virgins her companions that follow her shall be brought unto THEE. 15 With gladness and rejoicing shall they be brought: they shall enter into the king's palace. 16 Instead of THY fathers shall be THY children, whom THOU mayest make princes in all the earth. 17 I will make THY name to be remembered in all generations: therefore shall the people praise THEE for ever and ever."

Here's the Hebrew of verses 6 and 7 in the Westminster Lenningrad Codex (with vowel pointing):

 

6 כִּסְאֲךָ֣ אֱ֭לֹהִים עֹולָ֣ם וָעֶ֑ד שֵׁ֥בֶט מִ֝ישֹׁ֗ר שֵׁ֣בֶט מַלְכוּתֶֽךָ׃

7 אָהַ֣בְתָּ צֶּדֶק֮ וַתִּשְׂנָ֫א רֶ֥שַׁע עַל־כֵּ֤ן ׀ מְשָׁחֲךָ֡ אֱלֹהִ֣ים אֱ֭לֹהֶיךָ שֶׁ֥מֶן שָׂשֹׂ֗ון מֵֽחֲבֵרֶֽיךָ׃

Here it is transliterated:

6 Kic'akhaa 'Elohiym `owlaam vaa`ed sheeVeT miyshor sheeVeT malkhowtekhaa:

7 'AahaVtaa tsedeq vatisnaa' resha` `al-keen | mshaachakhaa 'Elohiym 'Eloheykhaa shemen saasown meechaVeereykhaa:

And, translated word-for-word, we get:

6 Thy-throne, God, perpetually to-eternity; a scepter righteous [is the] scepter of-thy-kingdom:

7 Thou-lovest righteousness and-thou-hatest wickedness upon-thus | hast-anointed-thee <-> God, thy-God, [with]-oil of-gladness from-thy-companions:

He wasn't calling the Messiah "God"; he was saying that God was anointing Him (subject noun - transitive verb [qal perfect] - direct object"), using both the 3rd person, masculine, singular  (he) and the 2nd person, masculine, singular (thee), same as in the second verse!

Now, let's look at the Greek of Hebrews 1:8-9:

8 πρὸς δὲ τὸν υἱόν, Ὁ θρόνος σου, ὁ Θεός, εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα τοῦ αἰῶνος, ῥάβδος εὐθύτητος ἡ ῥάβδος τῆς βασιλείας σου. 9 ἠγάπησας δικαιοσύνην, καὶ ἐμίσησας ἀνομίαν· διὰ τοῦτο ἔχρισέ σε ὁ Θεός ὁ Θεός σου, ἔλαιον ἀγαλλιάσεως παρὰ τοὺς μετόχους σου.

Transliterated, this is:

8 Pros de ton huion, "Ho thronos sou, ho Theos, eis ton aioona tou aioonos, hrabdos euthuteetos hee hrabdos tees basileias sou. 9 Eegapeesas dikaiosuneen, kai emiseesas anomian; dia touto echrise se ho Theos ho Theos sou, elaion agalliaseoos para tous metochous sou."

Word-for-word translation gives us:

8 Towards but the Son, "The throne of-thee, the God, into the age of-the ages, a-scepter of-impartiality [is] the scepter of-the kingdom of-thee. 9 Thou-hast-loved righteousness, and thou-hast-hated lawlessness; through this hath-anointed thee the God the God of-thee, with-oil of-gladness from the associates of-thee."

I'm probably shouting this into a gale wind, but that's the truth from both the Hebrew of Psalm 45:6-7 and the Greek of Hebrews 1:8-9. Take it however you will, but there IS absolute truth.

[Locust]

6 hours ago, Anne2 said:

Concerning Christ and his resurrection. The subject of this thread???

no .its about the dead people that have lived and died . perhaps even for  your self should you die  .  its about being saved from death.

[Anne2]

4 minutes ago, Locust said:

no .its about the dead people that have lived and died . perhaps even for  your self should you die  .  its about being saved from death.

 i AM commenting on HOW PWOPLE INTERPRET CERTAIN PASSAGES OF "PLACE", spoken of in certain passages. As well as being BURRIED WITH HIM IN BAPTISM AND RAISED AGAIN TO NEWNESS OF LIFE.

Edited March 17 by Anne2