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1 hour ago, abcdef said:
On 3/24/2025 at 11:53 AM, FriendofJonathan said:

Socialism is not love, it is evil. It tells its people to do xy and z or be punished. 

Doesn't America and other countries have laws that say to do xy and z or be punished? All countries have laws that say that.

You'd prefer anarchy, where the only law that matters is the autonomy of the individual?   What would happen when your subjective autonomous rule conflicts with your neighbors subjective autonomous rule?  Anarchy.  

God has created order, and God has ordained men to have authority over others so that order prevails.  Order in the USA is achieved through laws, civil and criminal, along with freedom and liberty in accordance with good order. 

But order in a purely socialist country is absolute control. There is no freedom or liberty, only control. 


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15 minutes ago, FriendofJonathan said:

You assume too much.  And you still have not understood what pure socialism is,  and what it is not. 

Pure socialism is totalitarianism, it is absolute indoctrination and control over people, absolute control over every thing produced wehether of goods or services, it is abdolute control over the means of production, absolute control of the distribution of goods and services, and absolute control over speech, the press, assembly, religion, etc. 

I prefer to live in charitable country where freedom and liberty are its principles, because I am charitable and I enjoy freedom and liberty.  I just so happen to be priveleged to live in the most charitable country in the world. 

Pure socialism is not charitable, because it is evil. 

A government "by the people" and "for the people" to "promote the general welfare", isn't that socialism?

 


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1 hour ago, abcdef said:

Is Trump patient and kind?

Is Trump envious? Does Trump boast? Is Trump proud?

Is trump rude? Is trump self-seeking?

Is Trump easily angered? Does Trump keep account of wrongs against him?

Does Trump take pleasure in evil? Does Trump rejoice in the truth?

I'm sorry but I don't believe that Trump has any of those traits.

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I don't believe you have any of those traits either.  Nor does any man.  Agapé is a level of love that only God possesses.  


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2 minutes ago, abcdef said:

A government "by the people" and "for the people" to "promote the general welfare", isn't that socialism?

What you've quoted is from the preamble to the US Constitution, and neither that preamble nor the Constitution itself promotes socialism.  We are certainly a charitable nation, and we do have a common interest in providing relief to those that dearly need it. 

But do go a few pages to the right of the preamble, where you'll find the Amendments to the Constitution. Tell me, if you're able, what purely socialist nations in the world have codified the rights of their people as those rights are codified for Americans in the US Constitution? 


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Just now, FriendofJonathan said:

I don't believe you have any of those traits either.  Nor does any man.  Agapé is a level of love that only God possesses.  

All Christians, real Christians, have Agape love to some degree by the Gift of  the Holy Spirit, (God/love in us) Acts 2:38.

Hopefully, we have that love for our children, wives, brothers and sisters, friends, neighbors, strangers, immigrants, and our enemies.

 


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13 minutes ago, abcdef said:

All Christians, real Christians, have Agape love to some degree by the Gift of  the Holy Spirit, (God/love in us) Acts 2:38.

Hopefully, we have that love for our children, wives, brothers and sisters, friends, neighbors, strangers, immigrants, and our enemies.

 

Brilliant. Let's check your theory.   If you are a "real Christian", then please read 1 Corinthians 13:4-8, but wherever you see the word "charity" or "love" (depending on the Bible version), replace it with your name. After you've done that, tell me whether you've met God's agapé standard, especially as it relates to the first three words of v.8.


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21 hours ago, FriendofJonathan said:

What you've quoted is from the preamble to the US Constitution, and neither that preamble nor the Constitution itself promotes socialism. 

A government "by the people" and "for the people" to "promote the general welfare" is socialism.

 

21 hours ago, FriendofJonathan said:

We are certainly a charitable nation, and we do have a common interest in providing relief to those that dearly need it. 

Again, socialism.

 

21 hours ago, FriendofJonathan said:

But do go a few pages to the right of the preamble, where you'll find the Amendments to the Constitution. Tell me, if you're able, what purely socialist nations in the world have codified the rights of their people as those rights are codified for Americans in the US Constitution? 

What is the opposite of socialism? If I were to ask what the opposite of "up"? It would be down. The opposite of left would be right.

What is the opposite of socialism? 

Can you describe the government that you are looking for?

If you were in charge, what would you be doing? What would you be encouraging?

Would you use government to make a better world for everybody or just the a few at the top would reap the benefits of government?

Would you feed the hungry? Shelter the homeless? Heal the sick? 

Build better highways? Make transport safer? Stop air, water, and soil pollution?  

Would you help people in disasters that have devastated counties and states? How would you do that?

But wait, all of that is socialism?

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What is the opposite idea of socialism?

Capitalism? Where the selfish love of money rules the nation?

That is why some people are escaping America in fear.

 

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Bigger Government is socialism and it's not the Republicans. It's the Democrats. It has always been. Didn't you notice all of this with Biden/Harris? Harris's way of running government was total socialism. Berie Sanders is a socialist also.

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On 3/26/2025 at 10:05 AM, abcdef said:

A dictatorship is not communist or socialist, it is a dictatorship and will be whatever the dictator says. "Communism" is just a cover for the dictator keeping some people alive and killing others.

So basically what you seem to be saying is that government shouldn't help people at all. Because that would be socialist.

"For the people" and "by the people" to "promote the general welfare" is communism or socialism by your definition, it appears.

 

You don't have to be Socialist or Communist to be a godless political entity that kills people. You can add the Vatican to that list of governments that killed millions.

Is the Vatican communist, socialist, or capitalist?

 

Doesn't America and other countries have laws that say to do xy and z or be punished? All countries have laws that say that.

 

Feed the hungry, take in the stranger, shelter the homeless, help the sick, comfort the dying, it sounds like WOKE socialism to me.

Socialism doesn't automatically mean atheist.

If the government helps people. is that socialist?

 

Is Trump patient and kind?

Is Trump envious? Does Trump boast? Is Trump proud?

Is trump rude? Is trump self-seeking?

Is Trump easily angered? Does Trump keep account of wrongs against him?

Does Trump take pleasure in evil? Does Trump rejoice in the truth?

I'm sorry but I don't believe that Trump has any of those traits.

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People are leaving  America because they are afraid. People aren't coming to America because they are afraid. People who are living in America are afraid. Seniors are afraid, mothers and fathers are afraid, hard working people are afraid, veterans are afraid.

They are afraid because their is no love in this current government that loves only money and power.

Don't think that you are immune because Trump has shown many times how he turns on his most loyal supporters. (Mike Pence)

  Give it 6 months.

Are you holding a double standard here? Because we all have been guilty of all of these. We are all human. Having Jesus as our Savior and Lord is how we overcome this. We ask His forgiveness and to help us. So I ask....

Are we ever rude? Are we  self-seeking?

Are we ever easily angered? Do we keep account of wrongs against us?

Do we ever take pleasure in evil? Do we rejoice in the truth always?

I'm reminded of this bible verse and it applies to all of us.

Matthew 7:3:

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye, but pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" 

 

You also said people are afraid in America? I live in America and I'm not afraid. I was afraid when Biden/Harris was in office and when Harris was running for President. Harris is socialist. I don't know of anyone who is afraid now. Where do you get this idea? The illegals felt safe coming here. I see things totally different than you do on this topic. 

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On 3/27/2025 at 3:33 PM, Patticats said:

Bigger Government is socialism and it's not the Republicans.

Not always. Big Pharma has long been supported by both parties, and it gets a great deal of benefit from government programs and agencies. Same with Big Oil, and Big Finance, and Big Ag, and so on.

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