Did God create Adam & Eve being that there were already people on Earth?

[Marston]

2 minutes ago, The_Patriot21 said:

You do realize that neanderthals are just humans? 

Exactly. Adam and Eve obviously bore both humans like you and I as well as Neanderthals as depicted in the image below.

[Vine Abider]

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

So when God had Moses write
Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

your assessment of this is there was another beginning before this beginning? Because the rest of the chapter is progression from this one beginning 'the beginning' and so there was really another beginning before this beginning... you actually see this as allowing the leading of Scripture?

 

You've asked a number of very good questions. Will you let me not address them? As said, I've embarked on this many times and just don't see any profit doing it again. Thanks 

[enoob57]

5 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

You've asked a number of very good questions. Will you let me not address them? As said, I've embarked on this many times and just don't see any profit doing it again. Thanks 

absolutely brother of mine!

[tharkun]

1 hour ago, Marston said:

Exactly right. Obviously all Neanderthals came from Adam and Eve. 

Not necessarily. If we allow for humans outside the garden where A&E were specially created ex nihilo, Neanderthals become another in a long line of human ancestors that the line of A&E interbred with.

Edited April 14 by tharkun

[AnOrangeCat]

5 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

Of course the word of God is right - it's our understanding of it that is suspect. No one but God has it 100%.

Amen. I had this thought as well as I was catching up on the thread. Our own imperfect understanding of certain concepts is a very good reason as to why these debates, especially the ones involving more speculative or hotly contested elements of scripture, call for a humble approach.

[AnOrangeCat]

5 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

How drastically did the world change when Adam & Eve partook of the forbidden fruit of the tree? Since then, creation has revolted and groans more and more with time. In the creation account or recreation account, there is a sequential and logical ecological progression of one that supports and enables the other.

This is a really interesting question, and one that I've thought about before. I don't want to go too deep into it so as to not risk derailing the thread, but I think viruses are worth some consideration here. Obviously they can make us very sick, but they can also rewrite small portions of our DNA. In this I see a good example of how creation has fallen. We can only speculate as to the original intent of this interaction, but post-fall it's been pretty destructive.

[George]

@Marston

Just a reminder of when you signed up -- 

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Let's say I'm throwing a big party and am inviting the world to the party (the forums) and I want everyone to have a great time, eating (reading through posts being fed), drinking (being encouraged to walk in His Word), and having fellowship with one another.  In Israel, we have Shabbat meals -- and whenever you have 2 Jews -- you have 3 opinions -- it's GREAT to be opinionated.  I encourage discussions ... but during our Shabbat meals ... we never ever get to the point in disagreements whereby food is being tossed and seriously yelling takes place!  And if someone comes into the meal ... and starts throwing food ... and yells at everyone -- what do you suppose the head of the Shabbat meal will do?  He'll escort those causing problems out of the house!  Why?  Because the whole reason for the gathering was to learn from one another ... to have a great time of fellowship!  

Some people like to constantly throw food and yell ... they won't last on Worthy ... because they missed the point of the party ... it's a prequel to the true party -- the Lamb's Supper!  

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@Marston  For the time being, I've placed you on Mod Review.

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Be blessed,

George

[SACREDWARRIOR]

Hello,

 Heres a question, how old were Cain & Abel at the time of the murder?

[Dennis1209]

1 hour ago, SACREDWARRIOR said:

Hello,

 Heres a question, how old were Cain & Abel at the time of the murder?

As I mentioned in my last post, there is no sense of the passage of time other than genealogies. We are not explicitly told how old Adam & Eve were when they were banished from the garden or how old Cain was when he slew Abel.

When Cain was worried about retribution for the murder of Abel, it appears God immediately confronted Cain and asked about his brother, as Abel's blood was crying out from the ground. There seems to be no time lapse here.

Cain was immediately frightened that he, too, would be killed for his offense. I would not think this was a future fear; how would he know the human population would explode and his relatives would want revenge? Cain was cursed, and it is unknown how long he lived, but he lived long enough to have children and build a city, which does not happen overnight.

It is reasonable to assume, or speculate, that Cain was at least a couple or several centuries old when he slew Abel, as his fear of retribution was immediate. Adam & Eve continued to have children, and their children had children. The population would have exploded in a few centuries (assuming nine months in the womb). Adam was created as an adult, fully mature, living 930 years; how many children could Adam alone have produced in 800 years after Seth?

Genesis 5:4 (KJV) And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

[Edward429451]

15 hours ago, Marston said:

That seems sensible to me, that there were two (or more) lines of humanity created by God. After all, how do we explain the fossil evidence of Neanderthals? Or do we just pretend it doesn't exist, as most apparently do?

That's actually a pretty good question. Maybe God in His preparation to Create mankind as He wants them, he felt it necessary to have some suitable childbearing women already waiting for them to help start population growth with? 

Now at first glance, that's pretty far fetched because of all the unspoken things in the text. But we have to remember that as Genius as man is, man's Genius is foolishness to God. 

Besides, I don't know what all the Lord wrote in His plan book. All I have is His book to Us concerning salvation and finding Him again. Maybe the batch of Neanderthals that helped get it going were the dumb girls in the neighborhood but then Adam's line mixed with the Neanderthals had to improve that line. Then God knew when it was enough to let the Neanderthals die out and Adam's lineage dominated the earth. 

Why isnt it in scripture then?! (I hear you). Because it is a non-salvific issue. The extra women had to come from somewhere for all the men to have wives. He didn't write in scripture details about animals mating and stuff or plants pollinating each other, and there's no problem with that so I can assume that, I didn't have a need to know that so He didnt write that to me. Lol. 

Or that could be wrong because they lived a long time like, 8 or 900 years, right? So maybe some of the men had to wait a couple hundred years to get a Wife! (Tragedy!) Those guys first wives could have even been the ugliest girls in the neighborhood and they still loved them! Lol. But it was prolly no sweat for the men who had waited for 1 or 2 hundred years for a wife...Because they were not being Bombarded with sexual advertising like they do today!