Did God create Adam & Eve being that there were already people on Earth?

[FreeGrace]

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  FreeGrace said:

The majority of translations have "one man".  There were several "one blood", one "human being".

That would be the problem...the TRANSLATIONS have, but that isn't what was written so one 'blood' or 'man' are conclusions of man in trying to help those reading understand which is kinda good for those just beginning, but for those seeking the deeper truths, the closer you get to the original the better the understanding 

OK, let's just cut to the chase and inform the thread what the originals wrote.

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Because you claim it was begun with Adam.

No, the Bible does.  As I showed with 3 verses.

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  Go to Gen 1 and find 'male and female created He THEM'.   How do you get to disregard what is so clearly written as happening on the 6th day?

The "them" refers to "male AND female.  Please count them yourself to see that "them" refers to more than one.  Is there some secret meaning of "them" that means MORE than 2?

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

   Doesn't Gen 2:7 begin with a 'rest'?

Actually, no, it doesn't.  Didn't you read it before making your claim?  This seems to be a problem in your posts.

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  Doesn't God say he didn't have a man to till the soil?

If He did, please show me the verse.  Otherwise I won't believe you.

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  The BIBLE is about Gods People and how they are found in this present creation.

No, the Bible is the revelation of God's plan of salvation for humanity.

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  The first Adam is of a SPIRITUAL bloodline, not of the natural one.

Actually, no again.  God FORMED Adam "from the dust of the ground".  iow, NO blood at all.  A "bloodline" refers to the NATURAL procreation from SEX.

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  So EITHER speak to the natural or to the spiritual but don't begin with one and end with the other as GOD doesn't like it when we mix linen with wool so He wouldn't write it that way.

That is just so confused.

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

At least I am not bouncing all around and claiming things that aren't written.

What I have found when communicating with you is that what you claim isn't claimed in the Bible.  iow, they are not written in the Bible.

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  WHERE did Nod and Cains wife come from?

Their parents, naturally.  Or bloodline.

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  Seth wasn't born until WAY after Cain had children so 'supposing' they would have been his brothers and sisters is MANS DOCTRINE and isn't written anywhere.

Show me the calculation.

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I didn't write them nor did I give them their definitions.  Those would be GODS WORDS.  Take it up with Him.

I don't have to.  I believe God's word.

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  AGAIN, there is a perfectly clear creation of male and female being created and told to multiply.

Yes, the FIRST TWO humans were told that. Obviously.

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  There is also another formed who is the beginning of the blood line and who 'woman' is taken from his curve.

I don't know what any of this means or refers to.  Can you please explain yourself?

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  They don't even resemble one another yet you insist they do.

Again, I have no idea what you are trying to say.  Where did I "insist" any such thing.  I don't even know what you are referring to by "they don't resemble one another".  Who?

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

   I am not adding anything and you are, yet you say I have it all wrong.

You have yet to show any verse that says what you say.

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  Should I disregard GODS WORDS and take up with your explanations instead?

My explanations ARE directly from God's Word.   I do what the Bereans did in Acts 17:11.

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  I think I will just stick with what is written and not add anything to it as I have been warned.

Seems you don't understand what is written.

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 

  This is the creation of the men and woman who went on to multiply upon the earth.  The trinity is found elsewhere.

Then explain in rational and clear words what Elohim (plural) meant by "in OUR image".

[FreeGrace]

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

FreeGrace said:

The title of this thread is about the assumption/speculation that there were already people on earth before Adam was created.  The Bible doesn't give us that option.

Gen 1

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Men and women on earth multiplying....


Gen 2
1  Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


7th day God resting people continue being fruitful and multiplying

4  These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5  And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6  But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7  And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


The beginning of the Bloodline of Christ - what would be the 8th day  

8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

15  And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. 16  And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17  But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

male and female created He THEM just ISN'T WRITTEN HERE in any way shape or form, in fact GOD is specific to KEEP a good distance between Adam and Eves creation.  Where is the be fruitful and multiply?  

18  And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. 19  And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. 20And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

How long would it take to name EVERY LIVING CREATURE?  Again, quite the jump from 'male and female created He them'.  

21  And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22  And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Even MORE of a distance from 'male and female created He them'.  How many would it take to make one 'see'?  

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Probably thinking His children are sottish, or maybe just stubborn at this point, 

24  Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. 25  And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Who else can do that, I mean, just read it as it is written and take it as GODS TRUTH, nothing added nothing taken away for any tradition or doctrine of man?
 

Like I said.

[FreeGrace]

10 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

FreeGrace said:

The title of this thread is about the assumption/speculation that there were already people on earth before Adam was created.  The Bible doesn't give us that option.

1  And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. 2  And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. 

Yep, God's plan for procreating.

10 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

GOD gives us conception and also will follow with a list of them and their whens.

Is there a point in any of this?

10 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

WHO would CAIN BE TALKING ABOUT if in fact, there were ONLY ADAM and Eve and Cain on the face of the earth?   How could he even KNOW what conception was never having been around for one?  Why would he think that years and years and years later there would be born to his parent brothers and sisters who would come along and want to kill him?  And why kill him after all that time?

The very rational understanding is that by THAT time, A & E had MORE children.

10 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

 What would be the simplest explanation? 

Just gave it.

10 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

17  And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch:

Once again, sex is the method of procreation.

10 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

ALL those 'conceptions' are recorded.  We should just BELIEVE it as written and go from there.

That's what I've done.

10 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. 26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

This is so simple it would be HARD to make it say something other than what is written right here

I can't even imagine how you understand words.

10 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

1  This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2  Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Yep, the FIRST TWO human beings.

10 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

SO there were NO OTHER CHILDREN FROM ADAM AND EVE before Seth, and Cain had a wife and child long before he was born so for me it is safe to say there were people on the earth before Adam and Eve.  

That is quite naive.

[DeighAnn]

9 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

The very rational understanding is that by THAT time, A & E had MORE children.

Either we believe what is written or we make up stuff that isn't for our own doctrines/traditions/theories of which this is a perfect example.  Again, same as always, you claim I am incorrect for believing it as it as written, while you claim to be correct yourself by your conclusions as to what HE really meant, although not what He really wrote.  

The minute we take our RATIONAL understanding and REPLACE what is written with it, we have stepped off the straight and narrow path and the next thing you know we might become comfortable claiming GOD is a God who 'punishes/torments/tortures' people for all eternity by turning DEATH into punishment eternal, rather than what is written 'DEATH' as the 'eternal punishment'.  We go from having a Just and Merciful GOD to an UNJUST and vengeful one.  

And what happens when you continue down such a path?  You wind up including those who NEVER HEARD His words and/or knew 'salvation' was an option, and having died in sin and trespasses are now punished forever.  That is where 'rational' thought will lead.           

  

[DeighAnn]

9 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

 This seems to be a problem in your posts.

 

9 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Seems you don't understand what is written.

 

9 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

I can't even imagine how you understand words.

What part of no personal attacks escapes your understanding?  

[Alive]

Please folks. Be nice to each other and keep it on topic. The children are listening.

[lrs68]

We know that Adam and Eve didn't begin procreating until their removal from the Garden.

 

We also are confident that Adam and Eve's first children were Cain and Abel.

 

We are also confident that the boys were only teenagers [15 to 18] when Cain killed Abel.

 

And we know that within days of Cain murdering his brother Abel he goes to the Land of Nod that is "full of people" and finds himself a wife there and soon afterwards begins procreating himself.

 

In my Yiddish upbringing and reading the many versions of the Bible I have always wondered if Adam and Eve was possibly not the first humans on planet earth but the first humans in the lineage that would lead to Jesus.

 

I really have never decided one way or another and it's not a Salvation issue so honestly it's ok to think about this having more than one possibility.   After all, the Land of Nod that Cain went to had people as old as Adam [Cains Father in Law] that seems impossible to be Adams children knowing that Cain was Adams "oldest child."

 

It's just food for thought and doesn't mean anything to begin with.

Edited May 10 by lrs68

[FreeGrace]

48 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

FreeGrace said:

The very rational understanding is that by THAT time, A & E had MORE children.

Either we believe what is written or we make up stuff that isn't for our own doctrines/traditions/theories of which this is a perfect example.

Every "perfect example" of what is "NOT WRITTEN" is found in your posts.  You have to ASSUME Seth was the next child in line only because the Bible doesn't mention there were more children, which leads to the wild speculation that there were "other humans before A & E.  But the Bible DOESN'T SAY there were people before Adam.  In FACT, the Bible SAYS Adam was the first human.  Why don't you accept WHAT IS WRITTEN?

48 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  Again, same as always, you claim I am incorrect for believing it as it as written,

No, quite the opposite.  I claim that what you believe is "NOT WRITTEN".

48 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

The minute we take our RATIONAL understanding and REPLACE what is written with it, we have stepped off the straight and narrow path and the next thing you know we might become comfortable claiming GOD is a God who 'punishes/torments/tortures' people for all eternity by turning DEATH into punishment eternal, rather than what is written 'DEATH' as the 'eternal punishment'.  We go from having a Just and Merciful GOD to an UNJUST and vengeful one. 

Where is the verse that SAYS (what is written) there were other humans before A & E?

48 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 And what happens when you continue down such a path?  You wind up including those who NEVER HEARD His words and/or knew 'salvation' was an option, and having died in sin and trespasses are now punished forever.  That is where 'rational' thought will lead.           

My thoughts are driven by what the Bible SAYS, not what people speculate about.

[FreeGrace]

48 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

What part of no personal attacks escapes your understanding?  

I am trying very hard to understand what you post, but it is too confusing to follow.

How is that a "personal attack".

Have you considered a "proof reader" to review your posts before you submit them?

[FreeGrace]

9 minutes ago, lrs68 said:

We know that Adam and Eve didn't begin procreating until their removal from the Garden.

We also are confident that Adam and Eve's first children were Cain and Abel.

We are also confident that the boys were only teenagers [15 to 18] when Cain killed Abel.

And we know that within days of Cain murdering his brother Abel he goes to the Land of Nod that is "full of people" and finds himself a wife there and soon afterwards begins procreating himself.

In my Yiddish upbringing and reading the many versions of the Bible I have always wondered if Adam and Eve was possibly not the first humans on planet earth but the first humans in the lineage that would lead to Jesus.

I really have never decided one way or another and it's not a Salvation issue so honestly it's ok to think about this having more than one possibility.   After all, the Land of Nod that Cain went to had people as old as Adam [Cains Father in Law] that seems impossible to be Adams children knowing that Cain was Adams "oldest child."

It's just food for thought and doesn't mean anything to begin with.

If the Bible had made that clear, fine.  But it didn't.  And Paul refers to Adam as the first human, from which came all the nations.  Without clarifying about any specific lineage.