Did God create Adam & Eve being that there were already people on Earth?

[teddyv]

40 minutes ago, lrs68 said:

If God created the Universe yesterday and it measures the current size it is now then the Speed of Light Method would still work.   The only thing actually flawed within the formula to calculating the age is the dating methods and the usage of the 1\2 shelf life theory. 

 

There's literally no possible way to verify the age of uranium or any substance because our oldest data we might have is Adam unless we believe in a pre-adamic age.

We don't age date uranium itself, but measure the ratio of parent to daughter elements that in a sample.

[lrs68]

9 hours ago, teddyv said:

We don't age date uranium itself, but measure the ratio of parent to daughter elements that in a sample.

But to establish the age of the parent you need to assume an age because there's no life forms that have been around for the lifespan of uranium to be a witness towards verification.  So how is the age calculated knowing there's truly no way to verify it?

[Revelation Man]

16 hours ago, lrs68 said:

If God created the Universe yesterday and it measures the current size it is now then the Speed of Light Method would still work.   The only thing actually flawed within the formula to calculating the age is the dating methods and the usage of the 1\2 shelf life theory. 

 

We can measure the Speed of Light, so we know it took light which we see from those FAR AWAY STARS, Billions of years to get here, so in your theoretical case, if the universe/earth were created "Yesterday" then those stars you see in which we are seeing the light from those stars, would not be "SEEN" on our planet for many more Billions of years because it takes light that long to travel, so in your theoretical POV, there would be a "TOTALLY DARK SKY" with no stars whatsoever. 

So, you are plainly just in error on the facts, either God created the Universe 13.7 billion years ago, or He had to CHANGE those Constants like the Speed of Light (Laws of Nature) after Creation, and why would a God who lives in ALL TIME at once need to do that? He's Eternal, he never needs to rush anything, he is patient, unlike us men.

 

16 hours ago, lrs68 said:

There's literally no possible way to verify the age of uranium or any substance because our oldest data we might have is Adam unless we believe in a pre-adamic age.

The Speed of Light mandates the universe is billions of years old. Do you even grasp how many millions of years it would take the earths crust to cool before habitation would be possible? 

Edited May 17 by Revelation Man

[JohnD]

Adam is the human prototype. You will notice that Eve was extracted from Adam. This placed the entirety of the human race under the heritage of Adam. Jesus is the only exception to that heritage as he was the "last Adam" (prototype) created by the Father (John 1:14 / Hebrews 10:5 / Hebrews 1:5). Jesus (prior to his incarnation) was the lone Creator of all things created in the beginning (Isaiah 44:24 / John 1:3 / Colossians 1:16).

Adam (created by Jesus)

The last Adam (created by the Father)

The virgin Mary was Jesus' gestational surrogate (granting him the LEGAL status as heir to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, David...).

And he laid that entire human race (population: Jesus) on the cross to save our human race (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

Getting back to the OP question, the Bible omits thing like procreation of the human race through close relatives (what would be considered incest today) when the human genome was at its peak (and birth defects almost none existent). The laws against this came almost 2,000 years later. And even at the second Genesis (the Noachian flood) the genome had denigrated enough that it took three families to repopulate the earth.

The theory of other people or races being created or even preexisting Adam are based on the inability to reconcile with the fact that the children of Adam and Eve married their brothers and sisters and cousins aunts and uncles. The sin of incest with a parent was cursed by Noah (when Ham inbred with his mother which is why the offspring of that consummation Canaan was cursed) and later the daughters of Lot inbreeding with him was cursed. But this is the course of ancient human history. 

To which we today say a collective:

EWWWWW ! ! ! !

 

[lrs68]

1 minute ago, Revelation Man said:

We can  measure the Speed of Light, so we know it took light which we see from those FAR AWAY STARS, Billions of years to get here, so in your theoretical case, if the universe/earth were created "Yesterday" then those stars you see y seeing the light from them, would not be "SEEN" on our planet for many more Billions of years because it takes light that long to travel, so in your theoretical POV, there would be a "TOTALLY DARK SKY" with no stars whatsoever.

So, you are plainly just in error on the facts, either God created the Universe 13.7 billion years ago, or he had to CHANGE those Constants like the Speed of Light (Laws of Nature) after Creation, and why would a God who lives in ALL TIME at once need to do that? He's Eternal, he never needs to rush anything, he is patient, unlike men.

 

The Speed of Light mandates the universe is billions of years old. Do you even grasp how many millions of years it would take the earths crust to cool before habitation would be possible? 

But I am saying if God created the Universe in one minute to be as big as Space is currently right now and just because you can measure it in light years doesn't mean it took billions of years to be at its current size.

 

You think it means it took billions of years to be this big when God could have made it this big in one minute.

[Revelation Man]

5 hours ago, lrs68 said:

But I am saying if God created the Universe in one minute to be as big as Space is currently right now and just because you can measure it in light years doesn't mean it took billions of years to be at its current size.

 

Well, it had to, the Universe is still expanding and Scientists do not understand why it is still expanding from what I have seen. 

 

5 hours ago, lrs68 said:

You think it means it took billions of years to be this big when God could have made it this big in one minute.

Not unless He changed the laws of nature/Constants that we see now. You have to explain why God needed to change His laws of nature after He created everything. He does not need to HURRY UP ANYTHING, God is Eternal. 

[lrs68]

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

Well, it had to, the Universe is still expanding and Scientists do not understand why it is still expanding from what I have seen. 

 

Not unless He changed the laws of nature/Constants that we see now. You have to explain why God needed to change His laws of nature after He created everything. He does not need to HURRY UP ANYTHING, God is Eternal. 

The Laws of nature like we apply based upon electromagnetic, gravity, inertia, singularity, and the others would remain the same if the Universe only consisted of 1 Galaxy or 50 trillion.   They are constant.   They are mathematical.   Therefore nothing changes them, they do not adapt, they do not conform.  They are constant.

 

So I am confused by you saying they require the Universe to be in a constant expansion.   Science cannot prove the Universe is expanding the same as they cannot prove the Big Bang.  It's theory and subject to be changed or proven wrong the moment better information is understood.

[teddyv]

12 hours ago, lrs68 said:

But to establish the age of the parent you need to assume an age because there's no life forms that have been around for the lifespan of uranium to be a witness towards verification.  So how is the age calculated knowing there's truly no way to verify it?

There are of course certain assumptions at play, mainly that the universe acts the same now as it always has. Looking at the stars and galaxies, for example, is looking back in time. The physics in play in those observations are consistent with the physics we can observe today. 

K-Ar radiometric dating accurately dated the Vesuvius eruption, which we do have  written records of. That is demonstrates a reliability in the underlying understanding of radioactive decay.

You have made the point that God could create the universe instantaneously if he chose, but the question is then, why does the universe (and earth) look old? The latter seems a simpler, less complex choice.

 

[teddyv]

5 hours ago, lrs68 said:

So I am confused by you saying they require the Universe to be in a constant expansion.   Science cannot prove the Universe is expanding the same as they cannot prove the Big Bang.  It's theory and subject to be changed or proven wrong the moment better information is understood.

There is very good evidence of the universe expanding. In fact, the rate of expansion appears to be increasing. 

And, yes, science will never prove anything, as proofs are best left to math and philosophy. Science arrives at conclusions based on the best evidence. If new evidence is uncovered, theories will be adjusted to accommodate, ot possibly require a new theoretical framework.

[lrs68]

39 minutes ago, teddyv said:

There are of course certain assumptions at play, mainly that the universe acts the same now as it always has. Looking at the stars and galaxies, for example, is looking back in time. The physics in play in those observations are consistent with the physics we can observe today. 

K-Ar radiometric dating accurately dated the Vesuvius eruption, which we do have  written records of. That is demonstrates a reliability in the underlying understanding of radioactive decay.

You have made the point that God could create the universe instantaneously if he chose, but the question is then, why does the universe (and earth) look old? The latter seems a simpler, less complex choice.

 

Have you ever sincerely looked at people without God?  I mean seriously they deny the existence of God, they reject anything connected to Him, they oppose anything related to God.   We know because of what our Bible explains to us that they are full of sin.   Romans 1 even goes to the point of eventually God gives them over to a reprobate mind.

 

What does any and all of that have to do with the age and appearance of the earth, you might ask?

 

They are sinful, God rejecting, reprobate minded, and even at a young age many look older and abused.

 

When God approached Cain He said to Cain, the blood of Abel cries out to Me from the earth.   God showed us the sins of man and its results end up existing within the earth.

 

Peter explains this is why God will use fire to eventually purify the earth from all of the sins and results of those sins man has committed since Adam.

 

If a sinful existence can make a person appear older and more abused than they should, it's very possible the earth suffers similar because of the sins of ALL humans since Adam was here.

 

Therefore, I propose, earth would look new had Adam never sinned nor any human after Adam.  I propose that earth only appears to be old due to the effects of sin.   If sin will separate and doom a human to eternal damnation.  What can a quadrillion of sins and possibly more than that do to the innocent planet earth that requires God to purge and purify it with fire so its in the correct existence for New Jerusalem to come down [a Holy City that is 100% pure and sinless] and become a part of earth?