Christians, Politics, and Voting

[AnOrangeCat]

6 hours ago, Anne2 said:

Godly parents also have to work to put a roof over their kids heads, feed and clothe them. Many cannot be home all day.

This is a solid point. Even if they're fortunate enough to be able to spend considerable time at home with the kids there's a whole world of pressure out there. I went to three different Christian schools when I grew up in the 80s and 90s and found that there could still be plenty of worldly influence.

[Anne2]

1 hour ago, AnOrangeCat said:

This is a solid point. Even if they're fortunate enough to be able to spend considerable time at home with the kids there's a whole world of pressure out there. I went to three different Christian schools when I grew up in the 80s and 90s and found that there could still be plenty of worldly influence.

Yeah I sent two of mine to Christian school for a few years as well. My Daughter has sent her two boys to Christian schools and it has not been easy. The point is she, as well as myself still paid taxes for public school on top of that. WE PAY FOR THIS, but that is not what we were supposed to be paying for.

 Also it is not even just Christian parents at all. It violates the values of non Christian parents as well. Non Christian parents have a better sense of right and wrong with this than some Christians. Just like those Christian schools.

Edited Monday at 03:51 AM by Anne2

[Orion]

11 hours ago, Anne2 said:

Paul was a really worldly guy....

Ac 25:10  Then said Paul, I stand at Caesar’s judgment seat, where I ought to be judged: to the Jews have I done no wrong, as thou very well knowest.

Paul was worldly until the Lord met him on the Damascus Road. 

Conflating Paul's appeal to Caesar with modern day worldly politics is so misguided.  God promised Paul he would testify in Rome and before Caesar, not for any other reason than for the glory of God. (Acts 23:11)..

Modern day worldly politics where worldly men vote for other worldly men who then commit worldly acts to conform to the ways of the world is not of God but of the god of this world - the prince of the power of the air, Satan. 

Peace

 

[BibleStudent100]

17 hours ago, Orion said:

You prefer sending our young impressionable children to public school for lgbtq indoctrination? 

Many make sacrifices to home school because they know there is no hope in the worldly education system. 

As a high school teacher in California, I can say that this is true.  Still, this indoctrination is found in abundancy in the culture outside of school and if our children enter the workforce or college, this indoctrination will continue.  Solution:  Instill fire-resistant materials in our children (1 Corinthians 3:13).

 

 

 

[Anne2]

5 hours ago, BibleStudent100 said:

As a high school teacher in California, I can say that this is true.  Still, this indoctrination is found in abundancy in the culture outside of school and if our children enter the workforce or college, this indoctrination will continue.  Solution:  Instill fire-resistant materials in our children (1 Corinthians 3:13).

 

It will get to the point (if not stopped) that homeschool will be forced to this as well.

[Orion]

1 hour ago, Anne2 said:

It will get to the point (if not stopped) that homeschool will be forced to this as well.

Regardless, God is still on the throne; still in control. Glorify God and enjoy Him forever.  Peace

[Marathoner]

On 5/4/2025 at 1:29 PM, Anne2 said:

Natural law

Pr 14:34  Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.

No nation of this earth practices righteousness. 

 

On 5/4/2025 at 1:29 PM, Anne2 said:

Lots of assumptions there I think. I simply believe this..

Pr 14:34  Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.

 

Your opinion is noted.
 

On 5/4/2025 at 1:29 PM, Anne2 said:

Pr 14:34  Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.

I see good things given as God given. Good government....

The Kingdom of God is God-given and represents good government. There is no sin to be found in the Kingdom, but the same cannot be said of the nations of this earth. Repeating the same verse from proverbs doesn't change the conviction of sin upon all men and women. 

[Starise]

None of us chose our country of origin, although some of us have changed countries. I suspect very few.

I found it interesting reading European thought and others across the world,  Surely I can't totally stereotype any of of it, however there are pockets of commonality same as here in the US. Many foreigners have a distorted view of the US due to Hollywood and television in general. I think that's going away as America has some serious sores that are exposed lately these last few years. Blue cities are falling apart. Some already have. The answer is generally, "we need more money for programs to correct the issues". Same thing is happening in Austria and Germany only the facade of historic buildings makes everything seem more ok.Similar in much of the world. Lots of these countries hide their poor with Japan being one. You can find the problems if you decided to look.

What am I saying? Just making the point that modern thought is to raise taxes and create social programs. Works ok for 30 or 40 years until it starts to tip the wrong way in a questionable economy. Higher output incomes and businesses go somewhere else to escape the high taxes, crime and diminishing quality of those programs and life in general.

At that point it doesn't much matter who you vote for IMO. Sure the republicans over here have been trying to plug the holes, but I'm not sure they can be plugged in time to save things. If we are going to stop imports we had better start making stuff. The three horses are coming though. The word is changing. About half of our country hates the powers that be in addition to other forces working against us. 

Vote, sure. Pray?? Absolutely. Worry? Never.

[Anne2]

48 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

No nation of this earth practices righteousness. 

It is scripture. And no nation is righteous 100% of the time. Under righteous judges, then under righteous kings, Isreal was righteous at points in history. At those points in time they did well and prospered as God promised them.

 

48 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

Your opinion is noted.

And so is yours and everyone who responded to this thread including the one who created it

 

48 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

My post that you decided to respond to wasn't addressed to you. I responded to the OP. 

This is a public forum. When accusations are made I will respond.

 

48 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

The Kingdom of the Lord is God-given and represents good government. There is no sin to be found in the Kingdom, but the same cannot be said of the nations of this earth. Repeating the same verse from proverbs doesn't change the conviction of sin upon all men and women. 

As I said, it is scripture. We are not of the world, but still in it. Period.

Edited Wednesday at 01:49 PM by Anne2

[Anne2]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

None of us chose our country of origin, although some of us have changed countries. I suspect very few.

I found it interesting reading European thought and others across the world,  Surely I can't totally stereotype any of of it, however there are pockets of commonality same as here in the US. Many foreigners have a distorted view of the US due to Hollywood and television in general. I think that's going away as America has some serious sores that are exposed lately these last few years. Blue cities are falling apart. Some already have. The answer is generally, "we need more money for programs to correct the issues". Same thing is happening in Austria and Germany only the facade of historic buildings makes everything seem more ok.Similar in much of the world. Lots of these countries hide their poor with Japan being one. You can find the problems if you decided to look.

What am I saying? Just making the point that modern thought is to raise taxes and create social programs. Works ok for 30 or 40 years until it starts to tip the wrong way in a questionable economy. Higher output incomes and businesses go somewhere else to escape the high taxes, crime and diminishing quality of those programs and life in general.

At that point it doesn't much matter who you vote for IMO. Sure the republicans over here have been trying to plug the holes, but I'm not sure they can be plugged in time to save things. If we are going to stop imports we had better start making stuff. The three horses are coming though. The word is changing. About half of our country hates the powers that be in addition to other forces working against us. 

Vote, sure. Pray?? Absolutely. Worry? Never.

One major problem is/was the agencies have/had been created to cancel our votes. Nothing changed no matter who we put in office anywhere. Epa, to the department of education.. etc. These agencies continued to rule with no accountability to the voters. President, senators, congressman. did not matter. They gave power to these unelected people to run things.

The Chevron decision was a part of plugging that hole....

From NPR

"In a momentous decision that will affect vast swaths of American life, the U.S. Supreme Court on Friday undid decades of regulatory law, making it far more difficult for federal agencies to issue rules and regulations that carry out broad mandates enacted by Congress. The vote, along ideological lines, was 6-to-3."

Broad mandates...

Giving authority to certain experts in these agencies was a mistake. So it was undone.

As for things being turned around, I pray it can, and do what we are able. But if not God reigns either way...It will be what it will be.

Dan 4:25  That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
 

Edited Wednesday at 03:19 PM by Anne2