BUSTED -12 False Theories Refuted

[truth7t7]

Just now, The Light said:

Ok. I can support what I'm saying with scripture. You cannot. One of us is right. You do the math.

If you want to feel your right that's OK, I still believe Jesus returns at the 7th Vial/Trump

[The Light]

Just now, truth7t7 said:

Once again I believe Jesus returns at the 7th Vial/Trump, parallel teachings of the same event

Please clarify. If you are saying that the 7th vial and 7 trumpet occur in the same timeframe, that is correct.

But that does not change the fact that Jesus returns at the 6th seal immediately after the great tribulation. And then returns again at the end of the wrath of God which is the 7th seal.

[The Light]

2 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

If you want to feel your right that's OK, I still believe Jesus returns at the 7th Vial/Trump

I was hoping your math skills were better than your reasoning skills.

He does return at the 7th trumpet 7th vial. But He also returns at the 6th seal as proven by scripture. And that doesn't even count His return for the Church before the great tribulation.

[truth7t7]

29 minutes ago, The Light said:

But that does not change the fact that Jesus returns at the 6th seal immediately after the great tribulation. And then returns again at the end of the wrath of God which is the 7th seal.

I Disagree, No Need To Beat A Dead Horse

Jesus has one future return, and it takes place at the 7th Vial/Trump

Edited Monday at 06:10 PM by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

8 minutes ago, The Light said:

He does return at the 7th trumpet 7th vial. But He also returns at the 6th seal as proven by scripture. 

I Disagree

[The Light]

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

I Disagree, No Need To Beat A Dead Horse

Jesus has one future return, and it takes place at the 7th Vial/Trump

Disagree all you want. That will not change the FACT that Jesus returns at the 6th seal based on scripture.

The fact that you are unable or unwilling to perform simple deductive reasoning does not change the provable facts.

Matthew 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 6

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Edited Monday at 08:14 PM by The Light

[The Light]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

I Disagree

That doesn't change the provable facts of scripture. 

[truth7t7]

44 minutes ago, The Light said:

Disagree all you want. That will not change the FACT that Jesus returns at the 6th seal based on scripture.

The fact that you are unable or unwilling to perform simple deductive reasoning does not change the provable facts.

Matthew 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 6

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Immediately after the tribulation "The Signs" of the 6th Seal through the 6th Vial/Trump that will take place, it's that simple

The events in Luke 21:25-26 below represents the earthly time from the 6th Seal to the 6th Vial/Trump

Luke 21:25-26KJV

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

Once again Jesus returns once in the future, at the 7th Vial/Trump

Edited Monday at 08:36 PM by truth7t7

[JoeCanada]

9 hours ago, The Light said:

The end huh? Or we read the scriptures and understand from the verses below that Jesus comes at the 6th seal and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. This is SIMPLE deductive reasoning. We can also conclude that the tribulation is OVER at the 6th seal. We are given a timestamp. The sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven at the 6th seal and in Matthew 24. BINGO. Jesus comes at the 6th seal.

Yes.... this is correct.

 

10 hours ago, The Light said:

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Let's look at this and compare it with 1Thes  4:13....

But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope.  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus.

Those who have fallen asleep in Jesus are in heaven.... their souls are in heaven (paradise).... these are the souls whom God will bring with Jesus when He comes for the resurrection and those who are still alive (rapture)

So the ones He gathers from heaven are not the church.... they are all those who died in Christ, (their souls), who will be given resurrection bodies along  with those who are alive when He returns in Glory... 

So, yes.... technically they are part of the "church", but they are not the entire "church".... the entire "church" is shown in Rev 9:17.

Do you see this?

10 hours ago, The Light said:

The BEGINNING to understanding Revelation is to understand that Jesus returns at the 6th seal for a harvest. Hence the great multitude that is in heaven for the marriage supper. 

This is where I see many are tripped up.

The marriage supper does not take place in heaven. I do not find any scriptural reference for it.

But I do find scriptural reference for a marriage supper.... (banquet)... on the earth, on God's Holy Mountain, the New Jerusalem. 

Isaiah.... 25:6.... "The Lord of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain; A banquet of aged wine, choice pieces with marrow, And refined, aged wine."

God, Jesus, does not live for a millennia in a cottage, or in a house built by man. He will live in a magnificent Hoy City, the New Jerusalem, which comes down from heaven as shown in Rev 21. 

" And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.

Do you see?

"as a bride made ready for her husband"

If the "church" is in heaven prior to the GT.... and "has" married her groom, then how???? can the New Jerusalem, God's Holy Mountain, be said to "come down out of heaven from God....  MADE READY AS A BRIDE ADORNED FOR HER HUSBAND, if she already married her husband several years earlier?????????????????????????????

If she married her husband several years earlier, would she still be called a "bride"?

I don't think so.

Even in a marriage ceremony, after they are made "Mr and Mrs" so and so, she is no longer called a bride of Mr?... is she. They are introduced as "Mr and Mrs so and so".

If the church is in heaven before the trib, as some claim... and are there marrying the groom for ( who knows how many years as it varies with pre-tribbers ) how then can Rev 21 make any sense? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[The Light]

On 5/4/2025 at 10:00 AM, Luther said:

"And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."

I'm sorry, but this verse does not imply to raptures. Jesus is simply stating Jew and gentile will be of one fold.

The first fold is known by the Lord and we know Him. There are other sheep not of this fold. They will be a second fold. Both folds become one fold at the gathering from heaven and earth which occurs at the 6th seal.

On 5/4/2025 at 10:00 AM, Luther said:

"that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in"

And the next verse:

"And so all Israel shall be saved...."

" All Israel" is the one fold, all jews and gentiles, a remnant from all the nations. The " blindness" I would say is the confusion or mystery that remains on national Israel until the fulness of the nations, or until Christ comes to gather his people. Then we will all see that It never had anything to do with bloodlines or Hebrew DNA.

 

Actually, the verses are saying that when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, part of Israel will have its blindness removed. That is the seed of the woman, the 12 tribes across the earth. When Jesus comes for the harvest at the 6th seal, those of the 12 tribes across the earth, that believe will be raptured. 

National Israel will remain on the earth during the wrath of God in a place of protection. They will not yet believe. If they believed at the 6th seal they would be raptured at that time. They will believe when the deliverer comes out of Sion as God will keep His covenant with Israel.

Romans 11

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.