BUSTED -12 False Theories Refuted

[Keras]

2 hours ago, Excalibur said:

I’ll reply more later.  But for now, this will do:

Heb 1:1,2- 

God,who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Hebrew 1:1-2 ......but in this final age God has spoken to us by His Son......Revised English Bible

It just isn't credible to think the last days were in the first century. 

[Excalibur]

5 hours ago, Keras said:

Just the proliferation of ideas, theories and flat out guesswork, of the self proclaimed experts on the Prophetic Word, is enough to prove my point. 

You need to give examples, showing why they're wrong.  Otherwise, every charge you level against them can be leveled against yourself.

5 hours ago, Keras said:

The last days must be the Last Days, not 2000 years. 

Hebrews 1 refutes your assertion.

5 hours ago, Keras said:

The truth of God's 7000 year Plan for mankind, can be proved by the addition of the time periods given in the Bible and we are now almost at the 6000 year mark, when Jesus will Return and reign for the final 1000 years. 

All fantasy. Even if you could calculate the time periods in the Bible all the way back to the year of creation week, that doesn't prove "the truth" of your 7000 year theory one whit.

5 hours ago, Keras said:

 The ten toes of King Neb's statue remain unfulfilled.  

Irrelevant to my point, wrong as you are (the Roman empire was divided into 10 kingdoms via barbarian invasions -- no gaps between the fulfillments of the legs and toes).  Daniel's prophecy concerning the feet and toes says the Roman empire (legs of iron) will be divided, not revived!  

How funny is it that you're arguing above against the idea that the phrase "last days" could be a couple thousand years long, but in the next breath you're claiming the fulfillment of the ten toes is still wanting almost 2 millennia from the time the legs of iron had come and gone!  There were no gaps between any of the other parts of the statue.  You have no biblical warrant to insert a gap of an indeterminable amount of time between the fulfillment of the legs and the fulfillment of the toes.

 

Back to my original point--

You said all interpretations were sealed "until now."  But the very existence of the Roman Empire in John's day proves that Daniel's prophecy concerning the various empires that would rule the world had been, in fact, unsealed for quite a long time.  He even gives the starting point by which his prophecy could be rightly interpreted, by declaring that Nebuchadnezzar had been the head of gold.  

Knowing from history that the 4th beast of Daniel 7, also known as the legs of iron of Dan 2, is the Roman empire, we can know for certain what John is referring to when he speaks of the great dragon, the beast from the sea, and the scarlet colored beast in the Apocalypse.  
 

Add to that the identification in Rev 17 of the 7 heads of the scarlet colored beast with 7 mountains, and the only conclusion one can arrive at is that the dragon and beasts are several forms of the same Roman empire -- first pagan, then papal.

5 hours ago, Keras said:

What is described in Daniel 7:23-25 and Revelation 17:12-14, has not yet happened. 

It has.  What you're referencing is the rise of the Papacy.

5 hours ago, Keras said:

I promote what the Prophets actually tell us.  

Actually, you don't.  

5 hours ago, Keras said:

Rather than objecting to my refutations of peoples pet ideas,  

I'm actually objecting to your pet ideas. 

5 hours ago, Keras said:

 look forward to the great Promises of God to His faithful peoples. 

I do.

Edited Monday at 02:38 AM by Excalibur

[Excalibur]

2 hours ago, Keras said:

Hebrew 1:1-2 ......but in this final age God has spoken to us by His Son......Revised English Bible

It just isn't credible to think the last days were in the first century. 

Version shopping doesn't prove anything.

The last days began at Pentecost, at the rise of God's final kingdom that will never be destroyed -- Christianity.  

Edited Monday at 02:54 AM by Excalibur

[Retrobyter]

On 6/1/2025 at 10:54 AM, Montana Marv said:

The "antichrist" is also an individual, a person, a living being, a person demanding worship.

Rev 16:13 - Then I saw three evil spirits, that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet... to gather them for the battle on that great day of God Almighty - Armageddon.

Rev 19:19,20 - Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army.  But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had preformed the miraculous signs on his behalf......  The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Shalom, @Montana Marv.

Oh, I agree with you that the "Beast" is an "individual, a person, a living being, a person demanding worship." And, it may seem only to be a case of semantics, but he should NOT be called "the Antichrist!" The word "antichrist" is not a NAME; it's an ATTITUDE that's been around since the First Century A.D!

To know that it's still prevalent today, simply ask people this question: "Do you believe that the Christ - the Messiah of God - is going to reign upon the earth or does He reign in Heaven?" If their answer is the second, they also have the spirit of "antichrist" - being "against the Messiah."

[In1]

15 hours ago, Keras said:

Hebrew 1:1-2 ......but in this final age God has spoken to us by His Son......Revised English Bible

It just isn't credible to think the last days were in the first century. 

The last days come to every generation

God has always spoken to us in this way ,(by son), but we were unable to recognize the language he speaks to us in ...

Edited Monday at 04:42 PM by In1

[Retrobyter]

13 hours ago, Excalibur said:

Version shopping doesn't prove anything.

The last days began at Pentecost, at the rise of God's final kingdom that will never be destroyed -- Christianity.  

Shalom, @Excalibur.

No, friend. Yeeshuwa` COMES BACK to reign. THAT'S when God's final kingdom will begin.

Trust the Messiah Himself when He said,

Matthew 25:31 (KJV)

31 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, THEN shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:..."

[Excalibur]

3 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, @Excalibur.

No, friend. Yeeshuwa` COMES BACK to reign. THAT'S when God's final kingdom will begin.

Trust the Messiah Himself when He said,

Matthew 25:31 (KJV)

31 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, THEN shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:..."

What’s worse:  

A Jew who denies Jesus Christ is the Messiah because they claim he didn't set up his kingdom?  

Or a Jew who believes Jesus Christ IS the Messiah, but is STILL claiming he didn’t set up his kingdom?

[Excalibur]

4 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Matthew 25:31 (KJV)

31 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, THEN shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:..."

1.  That verse says nothing about the setting up of a kingdom. 
 

2.  What kingdom did God set up in the days of the Roman Empire in the first century, per Dan 2:44?

[Keras]

18 hours ago, Excalibur said:

You need to give examples, showing why they're wrong.  Otherwise, every charge you level against them can be leveled against yourself.

Just the 'rapture to heaven' theory is enough:- pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, or cover all options and say: Anytime Lord; I'm ready!  Shows the foolishness and confusion of prophecy 'experts'.

The 7000 year Plan of God for His Creation is proved by the exact period of 2000 years - Adam to Abram, 2000 years Abraham to Jesus, now almost 2000 years Jesus to His Return, then the final thousand years of Sabbath rest for the world. As set out in the Genesis Creation story, of 7 tranches of Gods timing. 

18 hours ago, Excalibur said:

You said all interpretations were sealed "until now."

I meant, obviously; all the unfulfilled Prophesies. 

Although it can be said there were 10 divisions of the ancient Roman Empire, they were not concurrent, but consecutive, which does not fit with Daniel or Revelation. 

[Retrobyter]

8 hours ago, Excalibur said:

What’s worse:  

A Jew who denies Jesus Christ is the Messiah because they claim he didn't set up his kingdom?  

Or a Jew who believes Jesus Christ IS the Messiah, but is STILL claiming he didn’t set up his kingdom?

Shalom, @Excalibur.

Sorry, but this is a misdirection. The FACT is that He has NOT set up His Kingdom as yet! I'll say it again: If the Messiah (the Christ) is currently reigning, then He would be the WEAKEST King there has ever been!

But, He has not even BEGUN to reign, yet! It will be QUITE obvious when He does!

Look, we can CONSIDER ourselves today to be His FUTURE subjects, and that's good! But, one should not confuse this with His actual Kingdom! That doesn't begin UNTIL He returns! THEN, we will ACTUALLY be His subjects, and receive the Kingdom He has promised!

Again, trust Yeeshuwa`s own words:

Luke 19:11-28 (KJV)

11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. 12 He said therefore,

"A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. 13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them,

"'Occupy (Trade with this) till I come.'

14 "But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying,

"'We will not have THIS [man] to reign over us!'

15 "And it came to pass, that WHEN HE WAS RETURNED, HAVING RECEIVED THE KINGDOM, THEN he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

16 "Then came the first, saying,

"'Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.'

17 "And he said unto him,

"'Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.'

18 "And the second came, saying,

"'Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.'

19 "And he said likewise to him,

"'Be thou also over five cities.'

20 "And another came, saying,

"'Lord, behold, [here is] thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: 21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.'

22 "And he saith unto him,

"'Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, [thou] wicked servant! Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow: 23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury (interest)?'

24 "And he said unto them that stood by,

"'Take from him the pound, and give [it] to him that hath ten pounds.'

25 "(And they said unto him,

"'Lord, he [already] HATH ten pounds!')

26 "'For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. 27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and SLAY [them] before me!' "

28 And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.

They even thought His Kingdom would appear after His Resurrection!

Acts 1:1-11 (KJV)

1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus ("Friend of God"), of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, 2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: 3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: 4 And, being assembled together with [them], commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but "wait for the promise of the Father, which," [saith he], "ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence."

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying,

"LORD, WILT THOU AT THIS TIME RESTORE AGAIN THE KINGDOM TO ISRAEL?"

7 And he said unto them,

"IT IS NOT FOR YOU TO KNOW the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said,

"Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."