BUSTED -12 False Theories Refuted

[Diaste]

On 5/5/2025 at 10:09 AM, The Light said:

There is no Jew nor Greek after we receive new bodies.

Do you believe that there are currently not Jews and Greeks?

Do you believe that there are currently not males and females?

Why do so many want to jump right to end and toss away the plan and timing of God.

It's like claiming that there are no caterpillars because they become butterflies. Are the current caterpillars' butterflies now?

You miss the, "in Christ Jesus" part? That would be context. So, there is no segregation in Christ. There are not many groups, there are two: Believers and nonbelievers. This transcends worldly concerns and ideas. Salvation is had today, not later, not after 'new bodies', now. 

The point being, there is no space between Jew and Greek in terms of salvation, now and forever; despite your attempt at strawman arguments. 

[Diaste]

On 5/5/2025 at 10:09 AM, The Light said:

You make my point. The Jew are still in blindness. Part of Israel will not see until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. The Jews are currently not in Christ. However, God will keep his promise to His people.

I don't. There is no Jew or Greek. Any segregation there is man made, not God made.

And you insist on equating Jew and Israel. Blindness in part has happened to ISRAEL, not Jews. Jews are not a people, it's a religion. Israel is people. 

[Diaste]

On 5/5/2025 at 10:09 AM, The Light said:

It's in the Word of God. Those that Jesus knows as believers and know Him are basically Gentiles. But there are other sheep not of the that fold that He must also bring. He cannot bring them until that blindness is removed. And it will happen according to the Word of God.

John 10

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Yes, but that's been accomplished and is not an excuse to segregate. You liken this 'fold' to the white, western, dispensational, pretrib church, elevating it above Israel; never considering the fact that Gentiles are grafted into the Israel of God, not surpassing or superseding Israel. 

[Diaste]

On 5/5/2025 at 10:09 AM, The Light said:

There is neither Jew nor Greek when they are in Christ. Part of Israel cannot see until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

Gal 3

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

The Jews will be provoked to jealously when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. They will realize they have missed the harvest.

Romans 11

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

Quoting is not understanding. The above is not an opening to exalt a group over Israel, but rather to fear the God that blinded His own people to allow a people not His to become His. 

If He did that to His children to provoke them to jealousy, if He blinded His own people, you think any of us are immune to the same condition? 

Be humble. None are immune. 

[The Light]

8 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

We have covered the 144,000 like 5 times the horse is dead

If I have missed your response on this----------5 times, I apologize.

Please point out one of the responses by providing a post #.

[The Light]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

You miss the, "in Christ Jesus" part? That would be context. So, there is no segregation in Christ. There are not many groups, there are two: Believers and nonbelievers. This transcends worldly concerns and ideas. Salvation is had today, not later, not after 'new bodies', now. 

The point being, there is no space between Jew and Greek in terms of salvation, now and forever; despite your attempt at strawman arguments. 

You miss the part where the Jews are still blind. Their blindness will not be removed UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

The Word is clear the Jews are currently blind to the fact that Jesus is the Messiah.

[The Light]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

I don't. There is no Jew or Greek. Any segregation there is man made, not God made.

And you insist on equating Jew and Israel. Blindness in part has happened to ISRAEL, not Jews. Jews are not a people, it's a religion. Israel is people. 

A Gentile that joins the Catholic church and practices the things of Catholicism is a Catholic.

A Gentile that joins the Baptist church and practices the teachings of the Baptist is a Baptist.

However, a Gentile that attends a synagogue and practices Judaism is NOT a Jew.

[The Light]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

Yes, but that's been accomplished and is not an excuse to segregate. You liken this 'fold' to the white, western, dispensational, pretrib church, elevating it above Israel; never considering the fact that Gentiles are grafted into the Israel of God, not surpassing or superseding Israel. 

No. That is your misconception that you are portraying as my belief.

Are Gentiles that believe that Jesus is the Messiah and follow Him all white, western, dispensationalists? 

You are attempting to put words in my mouth saying that I have elevated the grafted Gentiles above Israel. Far from it. Israel is the Chosen Bride. God will keep his promise to His Chosen people.

[The Light]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

Quoting is not understanding. The above is not an opening to exalt a group over Israel, but rather to fear the God that blinded His own people to allow a people not His to become His. 

If He did that to His children to provoke them to jealousy, if He blinded His own people, you think any of us are immune to the same condition? 

Be humble. None are immune. 

How do you possibly conclude this? Making this kind of statement is simply your attempt not to address the facts that I have presented in scripture.

The Jews are the Chosen people of God. Those that bless the Jewish people will be blessed and those that curse the Jewish people will be cursed.

Not even the slightest of chances that I would exalt a group over Israel. I just understand that God says there are two folds, and the Gentiles will be the first fold.

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

However, a Gentile that attends a synagogue and practices Judaism is NOT a Jew.

What about a Spirit filled born again Christian practicing the teachings of Jesus Christ, could he be a Jew in God's eyes?

Edited May 7 by truth7t7