The Last Days?

[Starise]

10 minutes ago, In1 said:

The way into this personnel relationship has always been open from the Beginning/moment (the Word was sent forth) ... but it costs ...

I have found that the Beginning and End are not points in time but the very person of Christ, and when studied as an event in time does nothing to further this relationship.

There is of course nothing wrong with knowing the time you're in, but not at the expense of relationship, individually or collectively.

Interesting way to see things. I imagine looking at end times is a lot like looking at the weather. We watch it because we don’t know whether we need an umbrella or not. In this case, our umbrella is Jesus and a relationship with Him. If we make a projection based on what we think we know and it proves to be incorrect, it does more harm than not saying anything.

Since I’m a YouTuber and frequently go there, I can tell you the place is loaded with people claiming prophetic gifts making claims or regurgitating the Bible trying to make it look like they had a revelation when it’s a thing we all can know. Prophecy for some Christians is a hobby and they enjoy trying to determine close timelines. I am of the opinion that God isn’t ready until he’s ready. We’ve been in the last days for 2000 years. I believe most will agree we are in the birth pangs but it could either be a long or a short birth. God just wants me busy doing His work.

[In1]

7 hours ago, Starise said:

Interesting way to see things. I imagine looking at end times is a lot like looking at the weather. We watch it because we don’t know whether we need an umbrella or not. In this case, our umbrella is Jesus and a relationship with Him. If we make a projection based on what we think we know and it proves to be incorrect, it does more harm than not saying anything.

Since I’m a YouTuber and frequently go there, I can tell you the place is loaded with people claiming prophetic gifts making claims or regurgitating the Bible trying to make it look like they had a revelation when it’s a thing we all can know. Prophecy for some Christians is a hobby and they enjoy trying to determine close timelines. I am of the opinion that God isn’t ready until he’s ready. We’ve been in the last days for 2000 years. I believe most will agree we are in the birth pangs but it could either be a long or a short birth. God just wants me busy doing His work.

I have found that God can teach you more in a moment then all those who have ever lived can you teach you in a life time ... what ever measure you meet is what is measured back to you ... I choose not to measure which is like saying I choose not to eat, or I pick up my cross, or lay down my soul ... that I might pick it up again ...

You tube is where everybody (well ... not quite everybody) goes to be famous (and try to make $) for 15 mntues ...

There seems to be a greater obsession with the end of the world then there is with knowing God as Father (nothing new there). Even those in the world are overly obsessed with it (but all mankind has from the beginning of the world)  ... many a preacher have written books on it ... some became quit wealthy over it, and their opinion on the matter, some even making sequels to update their predictions (good thing they don't stone false Prophets these days)

For me the world ended with a cross ...

Edited May 30 by In1

[grumix8]

The end times is when Jesus died and so on forth we are in end times. And like George said it is not the end ! It is the beggining of the kingdom ! God is gonna save us. We don't deserve things we have done more wrong and evil than ever before and World war 3 were really in world war 12. The reality we have world war proxies and some fo you don't know that but government tell us. There is world war 3 and it's gonna happen nope those who do remember and realize Governments has been using ww3 for the rising prices and lowering prices for the interests of the rich. And know that the future is a lie and we are in situation worst than predicted before.

 

We are in world with a virus is killing us, we are taking away our money and the media lies and we don't know what is really happening.

 

The truth people is that we do not kow what is happening all over the world and USA doesn't know deepstate and the elites of the world are gonna do something soon. And we are all praying and this is the last days ! Better baptized yourself and find God. Becuase you don't know what's going to happen. God's loves but humanity still sins kills and murders it is still wrong. No God should of stop us since world war 2 the killing hasn't stopped their more violences and soon were going to a world where androids and robots kils us all. No,no,no,no humanity is good but humanity choosed wrong and wants to do what the devil does !

 

If God ends it so be his will he is really good to us. The lord has mercy but we are in the end times and like Isaiah and John we are going to be judged. The end is here and so be God's will he loved us and those who did love and did his will will be saved. Change people change now because things are happening and if the end ties happen next week or everything ends faster than we dont' know that's it God gace you a chance to change. ;-; I wish he gave us more time but God gave us a long time. We should change he already gave the mriacles to all and sadeness to all those who do not believe and did not baptized God save you because there is still time to be baptized pray and pray. Please all of us pray for them because when were in heaven and we see all our loves ones we know we could of done something for them. And judgement comes we realize it's not fair and we could of done something pray for them pray four ourselves that we can. It is not fair it is not fair.

 

But people now is the time now, now, now ! Do something before it is too late ;-; you will see the person you love and want will be there and he didn't baptized and he feel your ehart so heavy and despair. I apologize to you, do not wish to offend you. Just telling you something when yo get there your will be too late and your heart too heavy. Please do something I beg of you do something for them becuase when the time come and the last day come. You want to gor pray and go talk to your church. Kick scream and do whatever it takes I beg of you. You will see God will help you and the hardest times he does show he will help. But won't happen if you don't try doesn't matter if you get slapped, kicked, or insulted try becuase your family is worth it.

 

I assure you family is worht it and God wants you to do. It is hard I pray for you to make it. God will help ya. Please pray for others ! God will help !

[tatwo]

Greetings @Starise...and any others...

The topic of the “last days” has come up a number of times over the last few months. I am sure that not everyone really “understands” what this actually means...which is...as I suspect...why this faithful Brother...Starise...has brought it up again? It is a “Worthy” discussion...it is not a religious or worldly discussion however.

If this discussion once again becomes an argument of “ones subjective opinion against another’s”...what will be the gain? The answer is...worse than “nothing”...it will continue to divide the house. Is the Lord not glorified enough to reveal all that we need? Of course He is...is He not speaking to His sons on the earth today? Of course He is...will He not tell us all that we need to know? Of course He will.

Briefly let’s consider something the Lord said...

“But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.” John 16:13 NASB

If we believe that Yahshua meant what He said then...we can know anything He wants show us and that which we require...He is our provider and protector. Some will get this and others will not...some will agree to agree...while opposition is always available...that was by God’s own design.

I have some thoughts...and questions...

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

On 5/19/2025 at 6:10 AM, Starise said:

There seem to be two main camps on the end times.

I am not completely clear as to what you are defining as the “two main camps”...would you mind defining them for me?

On 5/19/2025 at 6:10 AM, Starise said:

In both cases we are still to be doing the work of the Lord.

Does the “we” in your “we are”...agree...as to what it is that constitutes “doing the work of the Lord?” 

 “we are still to be doing the work of the Lord”...what do you mean @Starise? Care to elaborate in a specific way perhaps? What does the Body under its glorious Head look like to you...and what is He doing on the earth...today?

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

On 5/19/2025 at 6:10 AM, Starise said:

I often sense discomfort in some of my brothers when we discuss these things as if it's a place we really shouldn't go.

I would say that your assessment is spot on bro...and I think that some of the responses on this forum, alone would explain this patently. Things like “all is quiet”...”wait a while longer”...”nobody can understand”...”we occupy”...and I am not criticizing nor confronting these attitudes...here...really.

These are however some of the words used by some of the “brothers” that you have referenced in this forum @Starise. I just do not see a lot of interest towards understanding the “last days” in those words and attitudes. For those of you who posses this mindset...so be it...as you wish of course.

Additionally, other brothers have said the following in response to your inquiry...” I reside in a similar environment and view it as the deceitfulness of sin.”...“the following of witchcraft is more common today than at any other point in history”...“The Bible is very clear that there will be Church but it will only be a form of Godliness and no longer the real thing.”...“39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.”...“Northeast of this city lies a placid suburbia-ville. Everything is peaceful there, and the police are swift to respond to calls. That's where most churches are located.”...“There is no emphasis on fellowshipping with the one who is in the midst,”

Again I am not being critical of these words either...I am only trying to bring front and center the reasons for a sensed “discomfort” Starise. And it may not be discomfort due to the subject matter alone. It is possible that in part...the discomfort lies in dealing with the vast degree of disparity between those who have responded to you here...and the attitudes of the personages involved?

Some may feel like...“what’s the point of the discussion if we are not working to a common spiritual truth”...which is where the Lord will be found. We have had great and laborious dialogues concerning this matter of the “last days” many times...what more is there to say when we once again find ourselves at the same impasse? I can assure you of this...that behavior is not likely what the Lord is leading His family through here in these “last days.”

Tatwo...:)

[Dennis1209]

Matthew 25:13 (KJV) Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

So that we do not miss this, Mark and Luke also record Jesus’s words. Watch, therefore, is a command: what are we to watch for? I propose prophecy coming about, and the signs of the times outlined in 2 Tim. 3:1-7, Eze. 38-39, Isa. 17, Jer. 49, and elsewhere.

For the end times to occur, there had to be a nation of Israel to be reestablished again in a single day (May 14, 1948). There has to be a way and means to livestream the death and resurrection of the Two Witnesses globally in real-time, allowing all to witness the event and send presents quickly to anyone on the planet.

These and many other implications are not coming; they are here.

Hebrews 10:25 (KJV) Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

In short, if Christians know their Bible, do not grow weary and leave the faith church, and are paying attention, they will see the day fast approaching. I see “the Day” rapidly approaching. We should be doubling down, spreading, and sharing the Good News like never before, while we still have the opportunity.

It goes without saying that those “left behind” will go through the worst time ever in human history, or ever will be, hell on earth.

 

[tatwo]

On 5/19/2025 at 6:10 AM, Starise said:

I can see their angst because it can lead to disagreements, and yet we should be mature enough to agree to disagree.

If...“agreeing to disagree” is “a” measure of “maturity” what are we to do with Paul’s words from Ephesians 4...where he says we are to...“attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ...? Isn’t a primary mandate in the Kingdom of God...“speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ?”

Where do we see the Christ making or leaving room for “agreeing to disagree” when it comes to His instruction for His Body and this...directly in regards to our understanding of the last days? If these are the last days...and I tend to think that this is so...if it shakes out like Yahshua said it will...I am convinced of no other possibility. One either agrees with His desire or they are mistaken in their judgment. Where does He compromise? Oh I understand how mankind is into compromises...but not the Christ.

In order for any agreement or even a realistic discussion on the matter...someone has got to know the mind of the Lord at least in part...for the last days that lead to the end of this age. I am sure we could do that...but that is where true maturity would have to be put on display. The “me against you” reality I often see here in the Worthy Forum adds a layer of complication on top of the fact that many people have not actually encountered each other personally...which I understand.

They have built an “online presence & relational persona” amongst themselves and they value them. However we must admit that...ones image can be managed to anything one desires...and no one will ever know the difference. There is actually little person to person accountability here on these forums in general. Sometimes that is so disappointing because without accountability to each other...there is virtually no accountability to the Lord either.

This in part is what leads to the “angst, discomfort and disagreement” of which you speak. It would seem to me that it is difficult maybe impossible in an environment that lacks any real “hermano a hermano” spiritual accountability...for there to also be a pureness of humility amongst the brethren?

Without accountability, humility...and a pure loving of the Christ in each other...what are you left with in terms of the Kingdom of God? Well whatever it is...it will not be Christ.

I would like to share about something’s I have learned in regards to the end of the age...but I would be hard pressed to do so in such a hostile and divided environment. That does not mean I wouldn’t...but in that environment it feels like unnecessary pain.

No I am not so jaded as to think everyone will or must agree on everything...however the spiritual and scriptural indications are...that the Body of Christ will unify...this is the work of the Holy Spirit. Wherever we see that unity the Holy Spirit is at work among the family...everything else is anti-christ.

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

On 5/19/2025 at 6:10 AM, Starise said:

What I see-

Knowledge increasing exponentially like never before.In scripture

The nations taking away freedoms, even punishing Christian beliefs. In scripture

Global financial instability, possibly intentional. The alignment of a totalitarian 'system'.

Spiritual death all around us with people  mostly following their own empty whims.

Collapse or weakening of social programs in most nations with costs rising due to overhead.

The plans for a new temple are completed. A rebuilt temple soon it seems.

Constant friction with countries like Iran between the US and others.

Distractions and deceptions abound.

Great points...I too have listed these points and others like them...numerous times. With few exceptions not to many “believers” seem to be concerned about these issues and issues like them.

On 5/19/2025 at 6:10 AM, Starise said:

Globally things are not getting better in my opinion. I don't see it. I see it all getting progressively worse just as Jesus told us it would right before He returns. Am I a pessimist? I am more of a realist.

I agree...things will get progressively worse...to use your words...exactly as the Lord said. No you’re not being pessimistic...this truth just bothers some folks around here that’s all...the continual and increasing destruction of the “human existence” is a prevailing reality today Starise.

It is an invisible spiritual and progressive decline...a skillful deception...only those who can see this...can see this...the rest are not worried.

The question I have for you @Starise is...how deep into the descent of darkness are you prepared to go?

Tatwo...:)

[Michael37]

5 hours ago, tatwo said:

The question I have for you @Starise is...how deep into the descent of darkness are you prepared to go?

While we wait to see if @Starise will take your bait @tatwo, here's something to ponder:

# Col 1:9-14  For this cause we also, since the day we heard, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that you might be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding,  (10)  that you might walk worthy of the Lord to all pleasing, being fruitful in every work and increasing in the knowledge of God,  (11)  being empowered with all power, according to the might of His glory, to all patience and long-suffering with joyfulness,  (12)  giving thanks to the Father, who has made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light.  (13)  For He has delivered us from the power of darkness and has translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son;  (14)  in whom we have redemption through His blood, the remission of sins.

# Eph 5:6-13  Let no man deceive you with vain words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the children of disobedience.  (7)  Therefore do not be partakers with them.  (8)  For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord; walk as children of light  (9)  (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth),  (10)  proving what is acceptable to the Lord.  (11)  And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.  (12)  For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret.  (13)  But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light.

# 1Th 5:4-6  But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that the Day should overtake you like a thief.  (5)  You are all the sons of light and the sons of the day. We are not of the night, or of darkness.  (6)  Therefore let us not sleep as the rest do, but let us watch and be calm.