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No worries, brother. We'll come to an understanding eventually. 


 


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I'll revisit the matter differently in the hope that we will reach an understanding, @Vine Abider. I have isolated the following from the OP as a guide in the interest of harmony:
 

On 6/11/2025 at 11:17 AM, Vine Abider said:

Under the new covenant, His speaking does not normally come to us as an audible voice.

The above is neither scripturally supported nor remotely true. Many of us, do, in fact, hear the Lord for He speaks to us with His voice. We know His voice, for we belong to Him (John 10:27-28). As I wrote earlier, New Covenant scripture testifies of brethren who did indeed hear the voice of the Lord. Stephen witnessed the Lord standing at the right hand of the Father (Acts 7:56). It is common for the beloved of the Lord to hear His voice, not uncommon.
 

On 6/11/2025 at 11:17 AM, Vine Abider said:

It comes in the line of a verse, in the words of a song, in fellowship with another member of the Body, in a message we heard from the Word, or in the growing burden we feel in our hearts.

This is true. I understand that some do not hear the voice of the Lord. 
 

On 6/11/2025 at 11:17 AM, Vine Abider said:

As we open ourselves to live out of the source of the Spirit (Rom. 8:4-5), we will increasingly be made aware of our heart's inclinations (Rom. 8:6). It is in those inclinations that we will find the Lord's voice for our daily life.

The above is not the voice of the Lord, my friend. That describes a motivating desire, and not His voice. I do not "find" the voice of the Lord through anything of the like; rather, I hear the voice of the Lord when He speaks. What's described in the quote above, and His voice, are not the same at all. 

When I ask the Lord for direction, He speaks and directs me. When I cry out to the Lord, He answers. He has always done so and as I wrote earlier today, I'm not special in any way. I'm no better than anyone else. 

I hope that helps. 


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@Marathoner How do you determine that the voice you are hearing is from g/God?

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16 hours ago, Marathoner said:

I'll revisit the matter differently in the hope that we will reach an understanding, @Vine Abider. I have isolated the following from the OP as a guide in the interest of harmony:
 

The above is neither scripturally supported nor remotely true. Many of us, do, in fact, hear the Lord for He speaks to us with His voice. We know His voice, for we belong to Him (John 10:27-28). As I wrote earlier, New Covenant scripture testifies of brethren who did indeed hear the voice of the Lord. Stephen witnessed the Lord standing at the right hand of the Father (Acts 7:56). It is common for the beloved of the Lord to hear His voice, not uncommon.
 

This is true. I understand that some do not hear the voice of the Lord. 
 

The above is not the voice of the Lord, my friend. That describes a motivating desire, and not His voice. I do not "find" the voice of the Lord through anything of the like; rather, I hear the voice of the Lord when He speaks. What's described in the quote above, and His voice, are not the same at all. 

When I ask the Lord for direction, He speaks and directs me. When I cry out to the Lord, He answers. He has always done so and as I wrote earlier today, I'm not special in any way. I'm no better than anyone else. 

I hope that helps. 

Thanks. First - about hearing the Lord's voice audibly. Let's clarify what "audibly" means.  To me it means hearing His voice through our physical ears, like He spoke to Moses. Most Christians I know usually say they don't hear His voice this way, and if they have, it has only been a very few times.  Personally, I don't think I've heard Him speak to me in a way that my physical ears have heard it.  However, I have definitely heard Him speak quite clearly on occasion, but it was not what I would call physically audible with my ears.

More often, I hear Him as an inclination or a warming in my heart, for instance, if I'm praying or reading scripture, or fellowshipping.  And when I speak what I believe I've heard from Him back to Him, there is then a confirmation - a sense of life and peace within me.  And then I might share it with others, and there is a verification if they have a witness in their spirit.

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"In the beginning was the WORD, and the word was with God, and the WORD was GOD"

The WORD was GOD!

I hear God speak to me all the time!

Thy Word have I hid in my heart! Everybody should program their mind/heart with truth/scripture.

God speaks to me ALL DAY LONG!  He brings to mind what he has (already) SAID concerning my circumstances.

In most any circumstance, starting it or the middle of or finishing something, I hear his voice.
Reminding me of his instructions. Making straight my path.

Like at this moment. Quick to listen, slow to speak. My spirit (again God) reminds me to do my part. Be cool, encourage. 

Some say they hear the actual audible voice of God in their ears. cool. I do not. Never have. Also cool.

The WORD is God.....  God speaks to me through his word. I listen. I may ask something, he replies. We have dialog.

No need to ck up on his reply's veracity. God is LIGHT. Truth. The Word!

I think it is possible for some to hear an actual voice from God, as he is still on the throne. I do not dispute this.

I also believe a few have misunderstood one another here on occasion. Normal for fallen man. 

So, where is God's voice in this matter?    (see below)

"A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger"

"But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless" 

"Good sense makes one slow to anger, and it is his glory to overlook an offense"

"Do all things without grumbling or disputing"

"So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding"

"Thus saith the LORD!"...........default_thumbsup.gif.e19582f2d2d093ae4b3054d19452bea4.gif

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1 hour ago, Sower said:

"In the beginning was the WORD, and the word was with God, and the WORD was GOD"

The WORD was GOD!

I hear God speak to me all the time!

Thy Word have I hid in my heart! Everybody should program their mind/heart with truth/scripture.

God speaks to me ALL DAY LONG!  He brings to mind what he has (already) SAID concerning my circumstances.

In most any circumstance, starting it or the middle of or finishing something, I hear his voice.
Reminding me of his instructions. Making straight my path.

Like at this moment. Quick to listen, slow to speak. My spirit (again God) reminds me to do my part. Be cool, encourage. 

Some say they hear the actual audible voice of God in their ears. cool. I do not. Never have. Also cool.

The WORD is God.....  God speaks to me through his word. I listen. I may ask something, he replies. We have dialog.

No need to ck up on his reply's veracity. God is LIGHT. Truth. The Word!

I think it is possible for some to hear an actual voice from God, as he is still on the throne. I do not dispute this.

I also believe a few have misunderstood one another here on occasion. Normal for fallen man. 

So, where is God's voice in this matter?    (see below)

"A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger"

"But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless" 

"Good sense makes one slow to anger, and it is his glory to overlook an offense"

"Do all things without grumbling or disputing"

"So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding"

"Thus saith the LORD!"...........default_thumbsup.gif.e19582f2d2d093ae4b3054d19452bea4.gif

Thanks to whosoever has ears to hear!...default_cool2-Copy.gif.52540d055347ede080891b1d86e49882.gif

James 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. :22  But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

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22 hours ago, enoob57 said:

@Marathoner How do you determine that the voice you are hearing is from g/God?

The words of the Lord answer your question:

My sheep listen to My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. (John 10:27-28 NASB)

I listen to the voice of the Lord Jesus Christ, and I follow Him. I know His voice, and He knows me.


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22 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

Thanks. First - about hearing the Lord's voice audibly. Let's clarify what "audibly" means.  To me it means hearing His voice through our physical ears, like He spoke to Moses. Most Christians I know usually say they don't hear His voice this way, and if they have, it has only been a very few times.  Personally, I don't think I've heard Him speak to me in a way that my physical ears have heard it.  However, I have definitely heard Him speak quite clearly on occasion, but it was not what I would call physically audible with my ears.

More often, I hear Him as an inclination or a warming in my heart, for instance, if I'm praying or reading scripture, or fellowshipping.  And when I speak what I believe I've heard from Him back to Him, there is then a confirmation - a sense of life and peace within me.  And then I might share it with others, and there is a verification if they have a witness in their spirit.

I do hope you understand that we're of the same accord, but the content of the devotional you quoted is the issue at hand. I reiterate that it's not uncommon to hear the Lord; I'm aware that you have before, my brother. I didn't distinguish between audible or spiritual for that isn't important. He speaks with His own words.

He's spoken to me both ways, my friend. Either way, the Lord sees fit to speak to me as it pleases Him. I don't encounter inclinations or such things; the Lord speaks to me instead.

I'm accustomed to all manner of nonsense coming from those who profess the name of Christ who seek to waylay me, as if I'm required to meet their demands when most assuredly, I'm not. I couldn't possibly care less about the esteem of men and their lifeless religions. I will share what concerns me:

The young in faith who are preyed upon by the same. The wolves have no power over me but the young in faith are vulnerable to their jealousies, their domineering interrogations and specifically, their defiled religion of the flesh. I say that the beloved of the Lord is not obligated to satisfy the jealous who are offended by how they follow the Spirit of the Lord, something which they don't understand. As the Lord said to Nicodemus,

Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which has been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which has been born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it is coming from and where it is going; so is everyone who has been born of the Spirit.” (John 3:5-8 NASB)

No one here is a "wolf." 

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Rom. 12:3 (NAS20S)   For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.

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This is somewhat tangential to the topic, perhaps, but it's worth sharing those times when I have heard His voice audibly, @Vine Abider. When?

Visions. The Lord's voice is thunderous, coming from every possible direction, issuing from storm clouds.  

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