Church of Christ

[MrSealedEternal]

This is one of those topics that people will argue over untill Yeshua's return.

Did you know that the teaching that water baptism is into Christ for the remission of sins was the sole teaching for the first 1,500 years of Christianity?

The only reason people disagree is because false doctrine was introduced into the church only about 500 years ago by a man named Zwingli.

Water baptism has never been taught by any true christian, because if you believe that sacramental works will save you, you aren't trusting Christ. Sacramental salvation is a Roman Catholic invention that is unscriptural and actually prevents salvation by causing people to put their faith in religious works rather than Christ's finished work. Baptizo is a Greek word that means "immersion." It is not translated in our English Bibles which causes confusion, and causes people to have water on the brain. Here's a perfect example

John 13:26 Jesus therefore answered,

[Khristeeanos]

Confess that Jesus is your Lord and that you believe in your heart that the Father raised Him from the grave and you shall be saved........ SHALL, and id says nothing about baptism. Now if you have truly made Christ your Lord, you will to the things he has told us to do, which being baptized is but one. If a person has made Jesus their Lord, they will be baptized if at all possible, but it is not the baptism that saves one, it is being saved that makes one want and need baptism, an outward show that you are following the will of our Lord.

The only person who we know for certain is with the Lord was the theif on the cross, and he was not baptised in water that we were told about, but believed.

other one,

There are many passages in Scripture that say that repentance is required for salvation, but it says nothing of it in the Scripture quoted by you above.

Does that mean that repentance is not required?

No, of course not!

We as Christians need to join ALL of what the Bible says about salvation BEFORE we form our doctrine.

Besides, water baptism into Christ for the remission of sins came AFTER the resurrection when Jesus commanded all disciples to be baptized in water.

[RGR]

This is one of those topics that people will argue over untill Yeshua's return.

Did you know that the teaching that water baptism is into Christ for the remission of sins was the sole teaching for the first 1,500 years of Christianity?

The only reason people disagree is because false doctrine was introduced into the church only about 500 years ago by a man named Zwingli.

Water baptism has never been taught by any true christian, because if you believe that sacramental works will save you, you aren't trusting Christ. Sacramental salvation is a Roman Catholic invention that is unscriptural and actually prevents salvation by causing people to put their faith in religious works rather than Christ's finished work. Baptizo is a Greek word that means "immersion." It is not translated in our English Bibles which causes confusion, and causes people to have water on the brain. Here's a perfect example

John 13:26 Jesus therefore answered,

[MrSealedEternal]

This is one of those topics that people will argue over untill Yeshua's return.

Did you know that the teaching that water baptism is into Christ for the remission of sins was the sole teaching for the first 1,500 years of Christianity?

The only reason people disagree is because false doctrine was introduced into the church only about 500 years ago by a man named Zwingli.

Water baptism has never been taught by any true christian, because if you believe that sacramental works will save you, you aren't trusting Christ. Sacramental salvation is a Roman Catholic invention that is unscriptural and actually prevents salvation by causing people to put their faith in religious works rather than Christ's finished work. Baptizo is a Greek word that means "immersion." It is not translated in our English Bibles which causes confusion, and causes people to have water on the brain. Here's a perfect example

John 13:26 Jesus therefore answered,

[Kabowd]

This is one of those topics that people will argue over untill Yeshua's return.

Did you know that the teaching that water baptism is into Christ for the remission of sins was the sole teaching for the first 1,500 years of Christianity?

The only reason people disagree is because false doctrine was introduced into the church only about 500 years ago by a man named Zwingli.

Water baptism has never been taught by any true christian, because if you believe that sacramental works will save you, you aren't trusting Christ. Sacramental salvation is a Roman Catholic invention that is unscriptural and actually prevents salvation by causing people to put their faith in religious works rather than Christ's finished work. Baptizo is a Greek word that means "immersion." It is not translated in our English Bibles which causes confusion, and causes people to have water on the brain. Here's a perfect example

John 13:26 Jesus therefore answered,

[RGR]

People who trust in religion rather than the blood of Christ alone, do have a false gospel, and will therefore spend eternity in flames if they don't reject their religion and accept Him.

And that would be anyone who doesn't line up with your exact view of Scripture? As Tess said in another thread, what an ever-shrinking box God is having to fit into these days!

[Kabowd]

This is one of those topics that people will argue over untill Yeshua's return.

Did you know that the teaching that water baptism is into Christ for the remission of sins was the sole teaching for the first 1,500 years of Christianity?

The only reason people disagree is because false doctrine was introduced into the church only about 500 years ago by a man named Zwingli.

Water baptism has never been taught by any true christian, because if you believe that sacramental works will save you, you aren't trusting Christ. Sacramental salvation is a Roman Catholic invention that is unscriptural and actually prevents salvation by causing people to put their faith in religious works rather than Christ's finished work. Baptizo is a Greek word that means "immersion." It is not translated in our English Bibles which causes confusion, and causes people to have water on the brain. Here's a perfect example

John 13:26 Jesus therefore answered,

[kittylover0991]

Mar 16:16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.

Please note that it is the one who has both

[Kabowd]

Mark 16:16 could easily be a reference to the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and not water Baptism. It should also be noted that verses 9-20 in Mark 16 do not appear in 2 of the most trustworthy manuscripts (greek) of the NT. The doubtfulness of these verses makes it unwise to create a doctrine soley on the basis of what is found in these verses

Especially since Mark 16:16 is the "hinge verse" for this doctrine, it should certainly make a person consider the many numerous other verses in Scripture which clarify the essentials for salvation. Whenever this debate comes up, this is the "key verse" for those who state baptism is essential for salvation. I would hesitate to adhere to any doctrine which had such a very small number of references in Scripture, and especially since the 'popular' interpretation causes it to contradict the entire concept of grace and salvation.

[Khristeeanos]

Mark 16:16 could easily be a reference to the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and not water Baptism. It should also be noted that verses 9-20 in Mark 16 do not appear in 2 of the most trustworthy manuscripts (greek) of the NT. The doubtfulness of these verses makes it unwise to create a doctrine soley on the basis of what is found in these verses

Especially since Mark 16:16 is the "hinge verse" for this doctrine, it should certainly make a person consider the many numerous other verses in Scripture which clarify the essentials for salvation. Whenever this debate comes up, this is the "key verse" for those who state baptism is essential for salvation. I would hesitate to adhere to any doctrine which had such a very small number of references in Scripture, and especially since the 'popular' interpretation causes it to contradict the entire concept of grace and salvation.

I never read where anybody said that Mark 16 was the "hinge verse" (whatever that means).

The entire New Covenant Scriptures are filled with references to water baptism being into Christ for the remission of sins.

And don't forget that the Jewish Covenant required certain ceremonial washings that had to be done or the person was "unclean."

This is a foreshadow of Christian baptism!

Here are some of the verses that talk about Christian baptism in the New Covenant Scriptures:

Matthew 28:18-20

Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Mark 16:15-16

He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

John 3:3-5

In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."

"How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!"

Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

Acts 2:38-39

Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off