How did the earth get populated?

[abbershay]

If the seth view was plausable at all there wouldnt have been need of the flood....

[MrSealedEternal]

If the seth view was plausable at all there wouldnt have been need of the flood....

I do to tend believe the fallen angel interpretation strikes me as more plausible, but I stumble over us reproducing over our own kind.

I understand that we are triune, in the image of God possessing body, spirit and soul.

I read the accounts af angels that appeared unto men and did bodily things, like eat.

Perhaps what I am having difficulty reconciling is the angelic host, which I know are spirit beings, possessing bodies that can command flesh unto the reproduction of offspring with mankind.

Then there are the verses that calls men and angels the sons of God.

As you can see, I do not know what to make of all this.

God Bless

Mrs. SE

Edited December 21, 2005 by Mr*MrsSealedEternal

[forrestkc]

Forest this is inner court are you claiming to be a christian?

Yes I am, are you inferring that I am not simply because I hold a different view on an issue that you may hold?

[apothanein kerdos]

Forest this is inner court are you claiming to be a christian?

Yes I am, are you inferring that I am not simply because I hold a different view on an issue that you may hold?

The worldview you hold (which has been seen in more than this topic, but in many) is the antithesis of a Christian/Biblical worldview. You fall more inline with secularists philosophies than Christian ones. So yeah, it's hard to believe that you are.

[forrestkc]

This is a pointless argument. There is a literalist scriptural point of view on creation that is totally at odds with science and there is a faith and reason point of view that is in harmony with science. If you someone cannot see that, then there is no point in arguing. I could be wrong in my views, but if I am wrong, then the entire scientific community is wrong and there is some huge conspiracy at work because if you read any encyclopedia on this subject, you will find that the view that I am expressing is the scientific consensus on the subject.

That said, it is obviously not only a theological issue with many people, it is an emotional issue with many people. There is faith, there is faith and reason, and there is faith, reason, and tradition. I fall into the faith and reason camp of Christianity, as I believe that the Bible is inerrant in its teachings, but not inerrant in terms of scientific accounts. Some people fall into the faith alone camp in that they believe that the Bible is literal in all aspects whether it be its teachings, literal history, or literal on scientific accounts.

Now sometimes the people who fall under the faith alone literalist camp think that if someone falls into the faith and reason camp or the faith, reason, and tradition camp, that they are somehow less Christian or not Christian at all. I don

[forrestkc]

Forest this is inner court are you claiming to be a christian?

Yes I am, are you inferring that I am not simply because I hold a different view on an issue that you may hold?

The worldview you hold (which has been seen in more than this topic, but in many) is the antithesis of a Christian/Biblical worldview. You fall more inline with secularists philosophies than Christian ones. So yeah, it's hard to believe that you are.

What worldview is that?

[forrestkc]

Oh and forest,

You might want to consider the warning that scripture gives us about how mankind will mistakenly assume that the Universe is old and that we will be ignorant of Gods flood.

2 Peter 3:3-6

3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

Notice how verse 5 clearly implicates the "word" of God, does mankind not make fun of the Biblical account of creation and the flood, more particularly Evolutionists?

Do people not make a mockery of our Lord today whenever there is a crisis? asking us about verse 4.

Does verse 6 not clearly contradict how the Geologic Column formed?

I'll stick with the Biblical warning of Evolution theory if thats O.K.

Hopefully others will too.

Peace All

God Bless

Christopher_John

Do you not realize that the scripture that you quoted if taken in the context that you are implying that it should be taken in, would be an argument for Uniformist Creationism. Which would not only challenge Evolution, it would challenge plate tectonics, climate change (ice ages), species extinction, and even species genetic adaptation. Are all those scientific theories satan inspired conspiracies as well?

[Khristeeanos]

Oh and forest,

You might want to consider the warning that scripture gives us about how mankind will mistakenly assume that the Universe is old and that we will be ignorant of Gods flood.

2 Peter 3:3-6

3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

Notice how verse 5 clearly implicates the "word" of God, does mankind not make fun of the Biblical account of creation and the flood, more particularly Evolutionists?

Do people not make a mockery of our Lord today whenever there is a crisis? asking us about verse 4.

Does verse 6 not clearly contradict how the Geologic Column formed?

I'll stick with the Biblical warning of Evolution theory if thats O.K.

Hopefully others will too.

Peace All

God Bless

Christopher_John

Well said.

[DaniJ87]

Ok... as for the incest thing.

When God created Adam and Eve, they had the genes for every possible racial difference. Because of the massive amount of genes, the children had different enough genetic codes that it did not matter if they intermarried. Besides that, they would have to, if the human race was not to die out. Nowadays, our genetic pool is so much smaller, people who are siblings have a LOT more similarities... and this is what causes all of the defects from incest... Once God gave the law against it, our gene pool had become small enough that it mattered. I think it's awesome the way He works things...

[forrestkc]

I found this nice little summation that argues that there is a Biblical case for evolution and that Christ hinted in several passages in the Gospels:

Following is a list of Christ's sayings that hint at evolution. Of course God meant these parables to teach us about the coming of the Kingdom of Heaven, but taken in their literal sense it is obvious that Jesus understood the concept of the struggle for survival and how limited resources lead to only a few organisms successfully reproducing out of the abundance of life forms that had their chance to try. What is more, He expected at least some of His audience to be familiar with the concept. Christ taught for the ages, not just for the few precious years He walked the dust of the Earth.

Matthew 13: to Matthew 13:9. A farmer went out to sow his seed. As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop-- a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. He who has ears, let him hear.

This parable definitely teaches that out of an abundance of life forms, only a few manage to adept to their environment enough to survive to reproduce.

Another example. Matthew 7.13. to 7:14. Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Again Jesus Christ teaches that out of an abundance of life forms only a few succeed in life.

In Matthew 13:24 to 13:30, and Matthew 13: 36 to 13:43 we have all the cast members necessary to produce the play of evolution. We have 1. the life that is being shaped by evolution (the seed/sons of men) 2. the environment the Life-form is trying to adapt to (the world/field), 3. life forms that compete with the seed for the resources that exist in the environment, (the weeds/sons of the evil one), and 4, the resulting struggle for survival between competing life-forms that occurs over a great period of time. "(Let both grow together until the harvest)." In the end only one Life-form (the wheat/Sons of the Kingdom), manages to survive because it is acted on by still another Life-form (The Angel/Reapers).

The Kingdom of Heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemies came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared. The owners servants came to him and said, 'Sir didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did these weeds come from? An enemy did this, he replied. The servants asked him, Do you want us to go and pull them up? No because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.

Matthew 13:36 to Matthew 13:43 Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field. He answered, The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels . As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

As life forms evolve, the fittest survive and increase while the less fit decrease. Christ hinted at this in Matthew 25:29. For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.

In John 15:1 Jesus Christ taught. I Am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. ..Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If any one does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up and thrown into the fire and burned." This is a perfect description of any kind of guided evolution, rather it is being guided by God, Humankind, or even pure natural selection. Life forms (the vine) breed. The ones God/Humankind/natural selection, want to continue to live, survive. The rest are "pruned" (destroyed). Then the remaining branches continue to grow and bud (reproduce), and these buds are pruned, thus shaping those Life forms in the direction that God/Humankind/natural selection wants them to go. The Life forms (branches), that God/Humankind/natural selection, don't want to reproduce are thrown away and they wither, (fail to survive and reproduce).