Satan

[Rania]

I would also profer what I have already written here about that passage of Ezekial. It is on the last page of posts.

I pray the Lord Richly blesses you today.

Peace,

Dave

I'm sorry. I completely missed that and will hunt for it now.

Thank you.

[angels4u]

Do you realize how much it hurts to be labelled a Satanist, when in reality I love the Lord the same as other Christians? I do not see why you have to spread so much hatred. Disagreement is one thing, but bashing what I know in my heart to be true is NOT an example of brotherly love! Please consider what I'm saying.

If you are so sure that what you know is true and all the people here disagree ,why don't you go to a LS forum to share your faith?

[angels4u]

My grandfather was a hazzan (Cantor) in the Jewish temple. He read the Torah every day, two hours a day, committing it to memory in Hebrew. His primary language was Hebrew, and he had studied all the major Rabbinical commentaries on the Torah. If there ever was an expert in Judaism, it was him. Yet, upon comparing the Torah and the promises of Messiah to the life of Christ, He saw that it was true, Christ was (and is) the Messiah.

Thank you for sharing this would you please ----- share more about this ?

I love to hear those stories and see how God is working!!!

[apothanein kerdos]

If Mormons knew proper interpretation of the bible as well as they know how to twist scripture, they wouldn't be part of that Satanic cult.

Context, as well as language, dictates everything.

Wow, if that's not the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is!!

Nearly every christian doctrine is based on twisted Old Testament verses taken completely out of context, yet you claim the Mormons are wrong. That's like getting in an argument about how fast Santa Claus' reindeer can fly.

My grandfather was a hazzan (Cantor) in the Jewish temple. He read the Torah every day, two hours a day, committing it to memory in Hebrew. His primary language was Hebrew, and he had studied all the major Rabbinical commentaries on the Torah. If there ever was an expert in Judaism, it was him. Yet, upon comparing the Torah and the promises of Messiah to the life of Christ, He saw that it was true, Christ was (and is) the Messiah.

Are you telling me that a devout Jew, who knew his decision would lead to expulsion from his family, and knew more about the Torah than most rabbis (and certainly more than you!) twisted scriptures to come to this conclusion?

Yes, I am

I'm calling your bluff. Use logic to explain why he would do this.

Fact is, you're here to do nothing more than cause trouble. There are intelligent non-believers, and annoying ones. You fall into the "annoying" category.

[angels4u]

No, I am not born again, because I still sin, and the bible says that those who are born of God do not sin. It also says that Jesus went to be with his father up in the sky somewhere, therefore, No Jesus does not live INSIDE of me. It seems to be easier for some to hold on to superstitious beliefs rather than spend the time studying facts

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Did you come here look for answers?

All you post is garbage--is there anything at all you believe in instead of talking about the Bible in your own interpertation?

[Rania]

2. Satan

[Kabowd]

You seem to think that Christians are saved because of what they do. Have you encountered Christians who believe they are going to heaven because they are good people? If so, they are wrong. Christianity is based on grace. We are no better than anyone else, and there is no moral difference between us and any other person who chooses to live a moral life. We are saved because Jesus sacrificed himself for us, all of us (all humanity). Our trust in him is the only thing that saves us.

Maybe you should cite some scriptures that Christianity has twisted to come up with its core belief. Please note I am not saying cite scriptures that scattered individuals erroneously cite. People make mistakes all the time. Atheists, Christians, Muslisms, whoever, all make mistakes. I am asking you to cite scriptures that are necessary to the heart of Christianity that have been twisted.

1. Original Sin

[apothanein kerdos]

I'm here to debate christian doctrine with intelligent bible students, not to hear what somebody's grandpa believed. If you can add something to the discussion other than your childish insults, then do so. Otherwise, stay out of it.

They are "childish" because I am addressing someone who is arguing like a child would. I do not mean this as an insult; I say this so hopefully you will grow up and we can have an intellectual conversation.

As for what my grandfather believed, you missed the entire point (typical). You stated that the only reason Christians use the Old Testament is to twist scriptures to make it look like Jesus is the Messiah. I pointed out that a man who grew up Jewish and was highly intelligent (to the point he understood the Torah more than most rabbis) compared the Messianic passages with that of the life of Jesus. He became convinced that Jesus was the Messiah. This stands in direct contradiction to your claim that these passages are misinterpreted. He had no motive to convert to Christianity, much less twist the scriptures. He lost his family, his job, his place in the community by comming to the decision that Jesus was the Christ. WHY would he twist scripture knowing all of this was on the line?

I am not telling some story, I am presenting a logical fallacy to what you claimed. I apologize I did not clear this up to begin with. I figured anyone who had graduated high school would be able to understand the argument being drawn. Treat me with respect and you shall be treated likewise.

[bgoalie35]

You seem to think that Christians are saved because of what they do. Have you encountered Christians who believe they are going to heaven because they are good people? If so, they are wrong. Christianity is based on grace. We are no better than anyone else, and there is no moral difference between us and any other person who chooses to live a moral life. We are saved because Jesus sacrificed himself for us, all of us (all humanity). Our trust in him is the only thing that saves us.

Maybe you should cite some scriptures that Christianity has twisted to come up with its core belief. Please note I am not saying cite scriptures that scattered individuals erroneously cite. People make mistakes all the time. Atheists, Christians, Muslisms, whoever, all make mistakes. I am asking you to cite scriptures that are necessary to the heart of Christianity that have been twisted.

1. Original Sin

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

The doctrine is not biblical. It had its origin in the writings of the so-called