Watchman Nee and Witness Lee

[DaughterofKing]

Christ became the life-giving Spirit upon resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:45

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Who was this last Adam? Jesus.

John 14

17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and WILL be in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

Jesus said I will come to you. Would this not be the Holy Spirit?

I do not see how the doctrine of the trinity would conflict with this as Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit are ONE.

Felix, are you defending the church or disagreeing with it?

[Iryssa]

Christ became the life-giving Spirit upon resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:45

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

I'm curious as to which translation you're using here...I cannot find a single english translation on BibleGateway.com that has this passage worded "the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." (emphasis mine)

John 14

17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and WILL be in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

Jesus said I will come to you. Would this not be the Holy Spirit?

A little context might be beneficial here:

John 14:15-21 "If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever

[other one]

Christ became the life-giving Spirit upon resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:45

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

I'm curious as to which translation you're using here...I cannot find a single english translation on BibleGateway.com that has this passage worded "the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." (emphasis mine)

According to my Bible program it is the King James Version;

45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

KJV

[Iryssa]

Christ became the life-giving Spirit upon resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:45

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

I'm curious as to which translation you're using here...I cannot find a single english translation on BibleGateway.com that has this passage worded "the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." (emphasis mine)

According to my Bible program it is the King James Version;

45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

KJV

Ahh, I see what happened...I forgot to hit "update" a couple times, so I missed a couple translations. That makes SO much more sense

[other one]

[felix]

For the people who have doubts about "Christ becoming the Life-giving spirit".

Just read 1 Corinthians 15:45 in all the translations you can find.

Just some translations....

1 Corinthians 15:45 (Amplified Bible)

45Thus it is written, The first man Adam became a living being (an individual personality); the last Adam (Christ) became a life-giving Spirit [restoring the dead to life].(A)

1 Corinthians 15:45 (American Standard Version)

45 So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 (New International Version)

45So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"[a]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit

I do not see anything wrong about "Christ becoming the life-giving Spirit". This is simply (if not exactly) quoting scripture.

Edited January 23, 2006 by felix

[Feedmysheep]

On 1/20/2006 at 1:06 PM, DaughterofKing said:

Ok, so there is this church that really adheres and studies the teachings of watchman nee and witness lee. They are always handing out little booklets that were written by these two guys.

They otherwise just follow the typical Christian teachings and all but---

 

Is this a church I should avoid? Or does it sound Ok?

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Also, there seem to be churches that are quite pure or fundamental. I walk in and see many conservatively dressed ladies and gentlemen, praying and singing gospel songs sung to a guitar playing brother or sister.

 

Then there are those churches that you walk into and everyone looks modern and cool and there is a band playing Amy Grant's latest hit and the drums go crazy and there is dancing and laughing, etc.

 

Is one better than the other?

 

[Feedmysheep]

About fifty years ago (1974) I discovered the local churches. I at first knew nothing about thier major teachings. What had a cataclysmic impact on me was the level of spiritual life and total centrality on Jesus. I knew that this what what  I had been searching for. As I said, I didn't know much about the teaching. To my surprise the teaching ministry was also the highest and most biblical that I had ever heard. So the two blessings came together and I never looked back.  I am happy to discuss the solidness of the ministry I have heard in the local church life. I can simply give you reasons for the hope that is within me. 

I hope you have a Berean spirit if you ask. That is willing to examine the Scriptures to see if these things are so. 

[Logostician]

Watchman Nee's "Mere Christianity" is one of the most inspiring books I have ever read.

[Feedmysheep]

I think you may be confusing Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis with perhaps "The Normal Christian Life" or possibly

"The Normal Christian Church Life" by Watchman Nee.