WHICH Commandments?

[Pilgrim7]

Clio,

There is a real anti-Sabbath, anti-Law sentiment among most on this board. Jesus is the Word, He gave the Word, it is His Word. He gave the ten commandments, for nothing was done except through Him. It is His Sabbath, for He is the Lord of the Sabbath, His Law and yet many who claim to love him seem to hate His Holy Sabbath day and His Holy Law. This seems a bit strange to me since in the New Covenant, He writes the Law of God in the heart of the believer.

They also think that anyone who keeps God's Holy Sabbath must be an SDA. There is a movement begining by the Spirit to bring people back to God's Holy Sabbath day because as it says in Acts 3, that Jesus can't come back until all things have been restored that have been written by the prophets since the beginning.

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; (the second coming)

3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution (restoration) of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

People say that the law was nailed to the cross. No, it was sin that was nailed to the cross. Jesus had become sin for us. He was the only one nailed to the cross, and being that for the moment He had become sin, sin was also nailed to the cross, transgression of God's law was nailed to the cross. This is why Paul says that we are dead to sin.

God bless and keep,

Dennis

[Clio]

Clio,

There is a real anti-Sabbath, anti-Law sentiment among most on this board. Jesus is the Word, He gave the Word, it is His Word. He gave the ten commandments, for nothing was done except through Him. It is His Sabbath, for He is the Lord of the Sabbath, His Law and yet many who claim to love him seem to hate His Holy Sabbath day and His Holy Law. This seems a bit strange to me since in the New Covenant, He writes the Law of God in the heart of the believer.

They also think that anyone who keeps God's Holy Sabbath must be an SDA. There is a movement begining by the Spirit to bring people back to God's Holy Sabbath day because as it says in Acts 3, that Jesus can't come back until all things have been restored that have been written by the prophets since the beginning.

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; (the second coming)

3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution (restoration) of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

People say that the law was nailed to the cross. No, it was sin that was nailed to the cross. Jesus had become sin for us. He was the only one nailed to the cross, and being that for the moment He had become sin, sin was also nailed to the cross, transgression of God's law was nailed to the cross. This is why Paul says that we are dead to sin.

God bless and keep,

Dennis

Erhm... You're preaching to the choir. I've worshipped with SDA's, but am not a member. I just want to know which direction to take this, so am waiting to hear which parts deadman would like texts on.

Now I just worship with whomever the Spirit leads me to. I'm here for a season, and in His time, will be leaving when His task for me here is finished.

Clio

[CarolineS]

In James, it is made quite clear. Faith comes first, and from a heart of faith, filled with love, comes obedience. Romans is very well studied by Seventh Day Adventists. They tend to have a heavy works focus, and struggle with the concept that only faith saves.

But what they, and most everyone else on the face of the planet seems to miss, and it's made extremely clear throughout the book of James, is that obedience from a loving faith filled heart is also necessary. You cannot do one and not the other. James tells us that just as works without faith is a dead thing, so is faith without works.

Now, as to the Sabbath... at the moment it is not a salvation issue. HOWEVER, when a form of worship becomes mandatory, and it will, then obedience to Abba in the day of worship will become a salvation issue. The reason is that pesky mark of the beast.

See, the beast system, while it has economic, military, and governmental manifestations, is going to come down to one thing. False worship. The mark, received in either the hand or the forehead will identify those who have compromised their worship. They no longer worship the Creator, they worship the Beast.

Well, the side of Abba will also have a mark. One that is visible to all, that seals the Law. Just think about what a seal embodies. It's a sign of the authority by which the One doing the sealing has the right to seal whatever they're sealing.

What is the right of Abba Father? His Authority as Creator.

Read Exodus 20 again. Read the Three Angels messages in Revelation. Why are we called to worship Abba? We are called to worship Him because He is the Creator. The Sabbath was sanctified and hallowed at Creation. In the 10 commandments it specifically says, Remember...... because in 6 days the Lord created Heaven and Earth and all that is within them.

The Sabbath will become the equal and opposite to the mark of the Beast.

Now... about those first day of the week verses.

Remember, all the NT writers are Jews, products of the culture in which they live. For the Jewish people from Creation to now, the first day of the week begins at sundown Saturday night. "The evening and the morning were the first day".

The assembly to which Paul preached took place on Saturday night. He preached until midnight, got up the next morning and traveled on. He did NOT attend a gathering churchlike service.

The same with Jesus. When the women reached the garden, it was dawn. We are told the first light of morning. Jesus rose from the dead sometime after sundown Saturday night and before Sunday daylight. Even in the tomb He rested.

There is NO biblical support for worshipping on Sunday because that's the day Jesus rose. The day of worship is not to commemorate the resurrection of Jesus. Because it's not His resurrection that's important. It was the spilling of His blood accomplished through His death that brought us into Blood Covenant with Abba Father.

The resurrection is the sign the Covenant was accepted. Not the mechanism of salvation. Since it is creating a right relationship with Abba Father, the Creator that is all important, and Jesus came to bring us into Blood Covenant with the Father, then worshipping on the day that He identified, that identifies His authority as Creator, is going to be crucial.

It is the outward sign of total surrender to His will, even if you don't agree with it. It is the outward sign that the believer has chosen the authority and rule of Abba Father over the religions of man, over their own ideas and beliefs, and reaches out with a loving heart to be obedient to His will.

Something as explicit and important as the Sabbath would have been explicitly and specifically changed.

It wasn't.

Clio

Clio,

Very good post. I agree with you on this issue. The Sabbath will become a dividing issue in the last days. In fact, I believe the Ten Commandments will be the dividing issue among Christians, with emphasis on the Sabbath.

I believe we are saved by grace, through faith. We accpect Christ and the old man of sin is put to death. THEN out of love for Christ and wanting to please Him and not man we follow Him and obey Him alone. We are to live by His word and not traditions or commands of men.

You will find that most on this board do not agree with you. Many believe the commandments were nailed to the cross, or done away with. Others say, the Sabbath is for the Jews only and we do not have to keep Jewish Laws. (I'm not sure what Jewish Laws are exactly.) Others say we are saved by grace alone, and we don't have to do anything -- just call on the name of Jesus -- no laws needed. Some say we just have faith in Jesus and we enter into His rest or you can rest on any day or everyday, makes no difference.

I believe we accept Christ and out of love we obey Him. Jesus said, "If you love me, keep my commandments." I think that means all ten, not just nine.

In Christ,

CarolineS

[CarolineS]

ahhh, ya I just didnt recognize the acrynome.

For the sabbith tihng, read romans. Paul speaks about our freedom as Christians. We are no longer bound by any of the law. You can honor a day above others for the lord, or honor all days equally. Actually, reading romans would clear up alot of things for 7th day adventists. We are not bound by mans or the Jewish laws as Christians. Saying our actions dictate our salvation is a gross lie and goes against the heart of what Jesus preached.

Uh... No, deadman, and the rest of you.

In James, it is made quite clear. Faith comes first, and from a heart of faith, filled with love, comes obedience. Romans is very well studied by Seventh Day Adventists. They tend to have a heavy works focus, and struggle with the concept that only faith saves.

But what they, and most everyone else on the face of the planet seems to miss, and it's made extremely clear throughout the book of James, is that obedience from a loving faith filled heart is also necessary. You cannot do one and not the other. James tells us that just as works without faith is a dead thing, so is faith without works.

Now, as to the Sabbath... at the moment it is not a salvation issue. HOWEVER, when a form of worship becomes mandatory, and it will, then obedience to Abba in the day of worship will become a salvation issue. The reason is that pesky mark of the beast.

See, the beast system, while it has economic, military, and governmental manifestations, is going to come down to one thing. False worship. The mark, received in either the hand or the forehead will identify those who have compromised their worship. They no longer worship the Creator, they worship the Beast.

Well, the side of Abba will also have a mark. One that is visible to all, that seals the Law. Just think about what a seal embodies. It's a sign of the authority by which the One doing the sealing has the right to seal whatever they're sealing.

What is the right of Abba Father? His Authority as Creator.

Read Exodus 20 again. Read the Three Angels messages in Revelation. Why are we called to worship Abba? We are called to worship Him because He is the Creator. The Sabbath was sanctified and hallowed at Creation. In the 10 commandments it specifically says, Remember...... because in 6 days the Lord created Heaven and Earth and all that is within them.

The Sabbath will become the equal and opposite to the mark of the Beast.

Now... about those first day of the week verses.

Remember, all the NT writers are Jews, products of the culture in which they live. For the Jewish people from Creation to now, the first day of the week begins at sundown Saturday night. "The evening and the morning were the first day".

The assembly to which Paul preached took place on Saturday night. He preached until midnight, got up the next morning and traveled on. He did NOT attend a gathering churchlike service.

The same with Jesus. When the women reached the garden, it was dawn. We are told the first light of morning. Jesus rose from the dead sometime after sundown Saturday night and before Sunday daylight. Even in the tomb He rested.

There is NO biblical support for worshipping on Sunday because that's the day Jesus rose. The day of worship is not to commemorate the resurrection of Jesus. Because it's not His resurrection that's important. It was the spilling of His blood accomplished through His death that brought us into Blood Covenant with Abba Father.

The resurrection is the sign the Covenant was accepted. Not the mechanism of salvation. Since it is creating a right relationship with Abba Father, the Creator that is all important, and Jesus came to bring us into Blood Covenant with the Father, then worshipping on the day that He identified, that identifies His authority as Creator, is going to be crucial.

It is the outward sign of total surrender to His will, even if you don't agree with it. It is the outward sign that the believer has chosen the authority and rule of Abba Father over the religions of man, over their own ideas and beliefs, and reaches out with a loving heart to be obedient to His will.

Something as explicit and important as the Sabbath would have been explicitly and specifically changed.

It wasn't.

Clio

Clio,

When do you think this will become an issue for Christians? Do you think a major crisis will have to occur first?

Do you see indicators now that are leading to some sort of Sunday law?

I am curious to your thoughts on this issue.

In Christ,

CarolineS

[CarolineS]

Actually CarolineS you missed the point in what I am saying. I believe in keeping all 10 of the commandments as well. The question is how do we keep the sabbath today? I believe it is by trusting in Christ and abstaining from sin. So we keep the sabbath by living right and break it by returning to a lifestyle of sin. While it may seem like a small difference in the way you understood what I said, in that, I do not believe in the need to abstain from all manner of work on Saturday, I do not believe it is ok simply because we are under grace. We are accountable to God for all his commandments that deal with God's standard of holiness. The only ones I do not believe we must follow are those dealing with the office of the Levitcal Priest and those dealing with Israel's separation from the idol worshiping gentile nations. The reason for the first is obvious, since Jesus is our high priest, and the reason for the second exception is because the believing gentile nations are now made clean through the blood of Jesus.

[Giaour]

Jesus was asked what commandment was the greatest.

He responded that love God and love eachother were the two that all the law should hang on to.

Later in the new testament, we are told not to judge people on what day is the sabbath and what feasts we observe etc.

There are more than just 10 commandments in the old testament.

300 and something at last count.

Why are those who are so adamant about observing the 10 not obeying the other 300?

I happen to obey they 10 just by obeying the 2 Jesus gave us to follow.

I love God so I put no other gods before him.

I love man so I won't steal from him or covet what is his or murder him etc.