Global Warming

[apothanein kerdos]

If you're going to use maps that date 500 years back as justification for a point, then how is someone suppose to handle that?

500 years ago Antartica hadn't even been discovered....shoot, the Western world had just been discovered.

Unless you meant it as a joke (in which case I apologize)...you really shouldn't have expected a response any better than what I gave.

Oceanographers 500 years ago were making maps of places that they came across. I don't understand what your issue is with this.

How can you say that the Western world had "just been discovered" when there are huge civilizations like the Myans and Native Americans who had been here for hundreds and maybe even over a thousand years before Columbus.

Perhaps you are so indoctrinated with some belief that you don't look for the other side of things.

Wow, you were serious? Wow......

Anyway, no, oceanographers were not always accurate and likewise they were making maps off of what they supposed was there, not just off what they had discovered. If you look you see sea monsters still, and there is no Pacific Ocean. Balboa was the first to see the Pacific (1513)....yet no one even discovered Antartica until 1821....yet you're telling me historians are absolutely wrong? What you're looking at is a land that was thought to be connected to Africa and later Australia. Up until 1774 the land was thought to be huge, populated, and partially lush. This was dispelled by Captain James Cook when, crossing the Artic circle, they discovered it was quite frigid. However, the first verifiable siting of it did not occur until 1821. In other words...are you seriously using maps from 500 years ago, when Antartica had never been seen and recorded, to justy your claim? If so...please, just leave this debate....you have no place in it.

As for the Western World being discovered....they had just been discovered by Columbus. When historians talk about the "new world" or "western world" (in the ancient sense), we are referncing the land, peoples, tribes, and cultures.

I'm just still baffled that you're using these maps as justification. Basically, if you are saying that 2 miles of ice just magically appeared on Antartica in less than 500 years? Wow.....

I can tell that discussing anything with you is pointless because you are so dogmatic in your beliefs and won't even consider any evidence that contradicts what you have been trained to believe.

But . . .

This picture is from the magazine with the note:

Antartica shows prominently on the map made by Oronteus Finaeus in 1531. The details of the south polar continent are surprisingly accurate, even showing mountain ranges and rivers that are now under ice more than a mile thick. Some were not discovered until 1957 using sonic reflection devices.

Source: Unlocking the mysteries of Creation Page 211

I cannot believe you are actually serious. For one, that map is not close at all. Look at how it is connected to South America. Secondly, it shows it shooting all the way up into the Indian Ocean....way up there. If anything, by posting that you are merely proving what I've been saying.

It isn't "dogma," it's historical fact...there's a distinct difference.

CIA states it wasn't confirmed until the 1820's

This site confirms what I said about Cook.

This site explains the map you have.

I could down the list...fact is, all three show that it wasn't discovered until the 1820's. Mate, it's actually been decreasing in ice....that ice didn't just grow there in 500 years.

[apothanein kerdos]

I would like to ask the know it all, if pollution is the cause of global warming, then what caused the ice age? Fresh air?

You actually bring up a very valid point. Global Warming is a natural weather chain. It kills of animals, prevents an overpopulation....and then brings about a freeze that kills of disease carrying bugs that allows certain animal populations to grow. God designed it this way. What occurs is the world gets so warm that glaciers melt which affects the north atlantic conveyor belt. This forces warm water to stop flowing so far north, which affects the jet stream (nothing to pull from), which in turn leads to an ice age. Sun spots also has quite a bit of deal with do with it.

Pollution, however, kills of plant life and animals and also increases the speed in which Global Warming occurs.

[Gerioke]

So what caused global warming before the ice age?

[apothanein kerdos]

So what caused global warming before the ice age?

Like I said, a natural cycle (most likely sun spots). Likewise, warm water flowing further north because the glaciers were not melting. This eventually lead to the melting of glaciers, which caused the cycle.

[Gerioke]

So pollution is irrelevant to global warming then. That is what I thought. Pollution makes me sneeze but it doesn't make me warm. I've experienced some pretty frigid winters in toronto (-20 to -30C) while the summers hit high 30s and 40sC.

[apothanein kerdos]

So pollution is irrelevant to global warming then. That is what I thought. Pollution makes me sneeze but it doesn't make me warm. I've experienced some pretty frigid winters in toronto (-20 to -30C) while the summers hit high 30s and 40sC.

That's not what I said Gerioke. Stop trying to manipulate it. Go back and read:

Pollution, however, kills of plant life and animals and also increases the speed in which Global Warming occurs.

Likewise, Global Warming does not necessarily mean it will always be warm. GW inevitably leads to global cooling because it cuts off the North Atlantic current which destroys the Jet Stream.

[Gerioke]

Pollution, however, kills of plant life and animals and also increases the speed in which Global Warming occurs.

Have you ever walked into a forest on a warm day? Or even a moderately cool day? The temperature jumps about 5-10 degrees C. I would think land developement is killing off more plant life than pollution is. Mind you there are certain areas that produce certain toxins that would have an adverse effect on foliage. But I don't believe it is a global problem.

[Tari]

Look at all the energy oil produces, and think about how the earth may be affected by removing it. People who refuse to believe that this does not do any harm to this planet are mistaken. There was a serious reason why God put oil into the earth, other than for our own wasteful consumption. There is a lot of corruption $$$ behind the denial of global warming.

[Guest Kilad]

Edited for a very slight unchristian like comment I made in response. My Oppalogies

The Americas were discovered 500 years ago. Your only off by 500 years. Lief Erikson established a colony here around 1001 AD.

Edited February 22, 2006 by Kilad

[Kabowd]

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Kilad,

Right, but the Western World was not known to the European public until Columbus...THAT is the point he is trying to get across. Using maps during a time when the Western World had just opened up to the majority of Europeans simply does not work.

Edited February 22, 2006 by IslandRose