shroud of turin

[Guest man]

Do you believe the shroud of Turin is real or is it a hoax?

[ayin jade]

My thoughts:

Personally I dont think it matters whether or not it is real. To those who need proof to beleive in our Lord, no proof would ever be enough. To those who dont need proof to believe in our Lord, then this shroud really doesnt matter.

Ive seen all sorts of things that may explain how it was done. One of the best ways was a medieval technique of painting that has that effect. I saw a demonstration tape that showed how it was done. The resemblance to the shroud was uncanny. I do think it is likely to be a hoax, simply because so many fake relics were sold to crusaders in the middle ages. However, it doesnt matter if it is real or not. I dont need that as proof to believe in Jesus. And if it is a fake, it wont shake my faith either.

[other one]

I personally think it is for real but not the image of Christ. I don't see anywhere in the Bible that states that the Lord was covered in the way he would have had to have been to create that image......

[MrLuke]

I don't think it's real because, like someone else said, I don't think bodies were covered in the way that the shroud makes out. But either way, I always think it would be fun to do a DNA test on the blood that's on the shroud if it were really the blood of Jesus just to see what would come up! Imagine seeing the DNA of God intertwined with human DNA ;P

[DaniJ87]

I don't think his "God" ness was contained in DNA... He was completely human... and completely God....

as we are made in God's image... I gather that the DNA would have been ordinary.

I do not think the shroud is real... it is first problematic to imagine it surviving that long- especially with contaminants (i.e. blood, etc.) on it... and also, why would it not have been washed and reused? Or why would it not have been completely ignored and thrown away? I doubt that a lot of emphasis was put on the burial clothes when people found out that Jesus had risen.

Another person also pointed out that a lot of hoaxes have been passed off to tourists over the ages.... like the saying that enough pieces of "the one true Cross" had been sold to build seven more crosses.

if you choose to believe that the shroud is genuine- that's fine... just don't let it affect your faith.

I read an interesting fiction series once that addressed the shroud... the "Christ Clone Trilogy" by James BeauSigneur. They speculated what would actually happen if they had found Christ's DNA on the shroud.... (hint... the series is an end-of-the-world/tribulation series...)

Edited March 12, 2006 by DaniJ87

[other one]

I think it is dates from the medieval period and cannot be what it has been advertised as for the past few hundred years. The Vatican (1988) allowed the shroud to be dated by independent sources outside of its sphere of influence. Of the three scientific testing organizations, including Oxford University, each dated the cloth around 1350 AD.

It is my understanding that what was tested was a patch that most likely came from that time period..... course it really could all come from that time period, but we most likely won't know til Jesus comes back. If we think about it with all the joy floating around maybe one of us will remember to ask.

[MrLuke]

I don't think his "God" ness was contained in DNA... He was completely human... and completely God....

Yeah I know I was only messing!

But then again, He did only have one human parent to impart human DNA....

[DaniJ87]

I don't think his "God" ness was contained in DNA... He was completely human... and completely God....

Yeah I know I was only messing!

But then again, He did only have one human parent to impart human DNA....

that's true.... I still don't think it would have made his DNA any different...

a totally different thought... I wonder what it was like for Joseph... having a "son" that was his Lord... especially being the man who would be the "head" of the household...... that had to have been awfully weird....