Two friends.. homosexuals???

[~SPIRITBLADE~]

Well by being physical I meant sex of course.

Of course... but the question was what constitutes sex? Does the Bible speak on this issue?

The OP was disgusted at the sight of seeing two females hold hands and finding out they were "girlfriends". Since premarital sex is wrong too, might the OP be disgusted at a guy and a gal hold hands if they are unmarried "boyfriend and girlfriend"?

sin is sin, if it ain't it ain't, if it is, (according to God) then it IS, (yuck).

i wanna expound on this topic, (ears open peeps)

a homosexual MAY IN FACT BE BORN THAT WAY, (my biggest argument against evolution, 'gays' average lifespan is 45 years)

My childeren, were in fact sinners from the womb.i didn't have to teach them to lie, (they knew that ALREADY)

i didn't have to teach them to steal, (they knew how already).

like HOMOSEXUALITY, i had to teach them how NOT TO.

many are 'indoctrinated' to homosexuality, (no argument there)- but many are LITERALLY 'born that way'

as an addendum, "unnatural affection", is sought for dominence, and control- not 'love' ....which brings us to the 'definition'.

Something sounds very 'Clintonesc' here:if you are physically gratified, you are engaging in sex.

as simple as a 'kiss', or as involved as the Oval Office.

sex is phsycal gratifaction-

and my definition for the word 'is'- IS

well, staight-up, i'm with doctor laura on this, two teenagers SHOULDN'T be kissing, (unless engaged)-hello

No teenager is qualified to support another, so there is no-room for 'practicing' to be married-

Also, we were all kids at one point-hello, (i honestly never kissed a girl without wondering if i could go further....)

a kiss on the forehead, denotes 'honor'

a kiss on the cheek, denotes 'frienship'

a kiss on the lips, denotes 'love'

the more appropriate question my friend, does the Bible 'support' dating-?

answer: no

[Guest FWOG]

That doesn't make it any better to insult anyone by saying they are evil.

Hi

I'm sorry to come in so late into the discussion ... but if I may add my two cents worth - my husband and I had this discussion last night and the one thing we finally agreed on was that Jesus never offended anyone. In fact he hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors (the scurge of society in his day) - not once did he get offensive. In my humble opinion, Crystal, I think Jesus is a perfect example of how to react around people whose behaviour we find offensive.

I don't know if this helps but another thing that helps me in uncomfortable situations is to tune out and spend some time listening to the Holy Spirit - fortunately He is there to guide our behaviour.

Anyway hope this helps.

Blessings

Bianca

Faithful Woman Of God

[Copper Scroll]

as an addendum, "unnatural affection", is sought for dominence, and control- not 'love' ....which brings us to the 'definition'.

Something sounds very 'Clintonesc' here:if you are physically gratified, you are engaging in sex.

as simple as a 'kiss', or as involved as the Oval Office.

sex is phsycal gratifaction-

and my definition for the word 'is'- IS

This makes sense. I'll buy it. Two questions though:

1. Is this scripturally supported?

2. Two "dating" teenagers sharing a kiss is premarital sex?

I guess the answer to my first question was No and the answer to my second question was Yes. Thank you.

[~SPIRITBLADE~]

as an addendum, "unnatural affection", is sought for dominence, and control- not 'love' ....which brings us to the 'definition'.

Something sounds very 'Clintonesc' here:if you are physically gratified, you are engaging in sex.

as simple as a 'kiss', or as involved as the Oval Office.

sex is phsycal gratifaction-

and my definition for the word 'is'- IS

This makes sense. I'll buy it. Two questions though:

1. Is this scripturally supported?

2. Two "dating" teenagers sharing a kiss is premarital sex?

I guess the answer to my first question was No and the answer to my second question was Yes. Thank you.

np Bro', collectively, it's OUR job

[Smalcald]

Well I have known and been around actually quite a few gays. They don't disgust me, but they also don't act out around me either (kiss, hold hands etc), I think they do that out of respect for my beliefs and they know I am a conservative Christian.

But I don't feel any compunction to tell them they are sinful or point out that homosexuality is a sin, life is far to short for that and I like talking to these guys they are my friends. Maybe someday they will come to faith in Christ, I don't hide the truth either if they ask me about what my congregation believes, but they never do because they know, so it does not come up.

I have friends who are divorced also and I don't point out there sin, I also know a couple of people who I suspect are having sex outside of marriage, but I am not going to stick my nose into the sex life of a 35 year old man and women, I will tell them what the bible says about marriage and pre-marital sex if they ask, but they won't, they know what it says, they just don't care.

We have to exist in this world, Paul says that we are to be "blameless and harmless" but he goes on to say "in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation", nothing much has changed. But I also realize that these sins are no worse than any sin I have committed.

[David from New Bern]

Well I have known and been around actually quite a few gays. They don't disgust me, but they also don't act out around me either (kiss, hold hands etc), I think they do that out of respect for my beliefs and they know I am a conservative Christian.

But I don't feel any compunction to tell them they are sinful or point out that homosexuality is a sin, life is far to short for that and I like talking to these guys they are my friends. Maybe someday they will come to faith in Christ, I don't hide the truth either if they ask me about what my congregation believes, but they never do because they know, so it does not come up.

I have friends who are divorced also and I don't point out there sin, I also know a couple of people who I suspect are having sex outside of marriage, but I am not going to stick my nose into the sex life of a 35 year old man and women, I will tell them what the bible says about marriage and pre-marital sex if they ask, but they won't, they know what it says, they just don't care.

We have to exist in this world, Paul says that we are to be "blameless and harmless" but he goes on to say "in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation", nothing much has changed. But I also realize that these sins are no worse than any sin I have committed.

I want to agree with you at some points of the argument. But I am not willing to submit to your point that homosexuality is like any other sin, or any other heterosexual sin. Sin is sin, you are right. But there are varying degrees of consequences to the individual, their partner, to families, and to our culture. And historically and practically homosexuality is epitomy of destruction for individuals, families, and our culture. Because of its deception it deeply entrenches and stains all who directly and indirectly participate or merely condone it with their silence. It is the reason society questions the Bible that clearly condemns it.

[darkest_red]

Well by being physical I meant sex of course.

Of course... but the question was what constitutes sex? Does the Bible speak on this issue?

The OP was disgusted at the sight of seeing two females hold hands and finding out they were "girlfriends". Since premarital sex is wrong too, might the OP be disgusted at a guy and a gal hold hands if they are unmarried "boyfriend and girlfriend"?

sin is sin, if it ain't it ain't, if it is, (according to God) then it IS, (yuck).

i wanna expound on this topic, (ears open peeps)

a homosexual MAY IN FACT BE BORN THAT WAY, (my biggest argument against evolution, 'gays' average lifespan is 45 years)

My childeren, were in fact sinners from the womb.i didn't have to teach them to lie, (they knew that ALREADY)

i didn't have to teach them to steal, (they knew how already).

like HOMOSEXUALITY, i had to teach them how NOT TO.

many are 'indoctrinated' to homosexuality, (no argument there)- but many are LITERALLY 'born that way'

as an addendum, "unnatural affection", is sought for dominence, and control- not 'love' ....which brings us to the 'definition'.

Something sounds very 'Clintonesc' here:if you are physically gratified, you are engaging in sex.

as simple as a 'kiss', or as involved as the Oval Office.

sex is phsycal gratifaction-

and my definition for the word 'is'- IS

well, staight-up, i'm with doctor laura on this, two teenagers SHOULDN'T be kissing, (unless engaged)-hello

No teenager is qualified to support another, so there is no-room for 'practicing' to be married-

Also, we were all kids at one point-hello, (i honestly never kissed a girl without wondering if i could go further....)

a kiss on the forehead, denotes 'honor'

a kiss on the cheek, denotes 'frienship'

a kiss on the lips, denotes 'love'

the more appropriate question my friend, does the Bible 'support' dating-?

answer: no

It is perfectly natural to think about having sex, however it doesn't necessarily mean you'll then jump into bed with someone.

I kiss my boyfriend regularly. Are we having sex? No. Will we before we get married? No. I think you're getting things out of perspective here.

[50_Cent's_dog]

That doesn't make it any better to insult anyone by saying they are evil.

Hi

I'm sorry to come in so late into the discussion ... but if I may add my two cents worth - my husband and I had this discussion last night and the one thing we finally agreed on was that Jesus never offended anyone. In fact he hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors (the scurge of society in his day) - not once did he get offensive. In my humble opinion, Crystal, I think Jesus is a perfect example of how to react around people whose behaviour we find offensive.

I don't know if this helps but another thing that helps me in uncomfortable situations is to tune out and spend some time listening to the Holy Spirit - fortunately He is there to guide our behaviour.

Anyway hope this helps.

Blessings

Bianca

Faithful Woman Of God

I disagree with you about Jesus never offending anyone. The Pharisees and Saducees hated Him. Infact as you grow in your Christian faith you will offend people. Know this if people hate you when you share your faith in Christ; They first hated Him. Jesus was hung on the cross because the Jews were offended by Him.

[Smalcald]

Well I have known and been around actually quite a few gays. They don't disgust me, but they also don't act out around me either (kiss, hold hands etc), I think they do that out of respect for my beliefs and they know I am a conservative Christian.

But I don't feel any compunction to tell them they are sinful or point out that homosexuality is a sin, life is far to short for that and I like talking to these guys they are my friends. Maybe someday they will come to faith in Christ, I don't hide the truth either if they ask me about what my congregation believes, but they never do because they know, so it does not come up.

I have friends who are divorced also and I don't point out there sin, I also know a couple of people who I suspect are having sex outside of marriage, but I am not going to stick my nose into the sex life of a 35 year old man and women, I will tell them what the bible says about marriage and pre-marital sex if they ask, but they won't, they know what it says, they just don't care.

We have to exist in this world, Paul says that we are to be "blameless and harmless" but he goes on to say "in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation", nothing much has changed. But I also realize that these sins are no worse than any sin I have committed.

I want to agree with you at some points of the argument. But I am not willing to submit to your point that homosexuality is like any other sin, or any other heterosexual sin. Sin is sin, you are right. But there are varying degrees of consequences to the individual, their partner, to families, and to our culture. And historically and practically homosexuality is epitomy of destruction for individuals, families, and our culture. Because of its deception it deeply entrenches and stains all who directly and indirectly participate or merely condone it with their silence. It is the reason society questions the Bible that clearly condemns it.

Well I do agree about degrees of consequences. But from a societal standpoint the most destructive sin to families and our culture is divorce and particularly divorce with children and re-marriage with more children etc. Gays make up maybe 2-3%(the gay lobby pumps this up of course) of the total population, divorce hurts millions of our children every year, divorce except in the case of abuse, always hurts children, always destroys a family. A gay man having promiscuous sex hurts himself and his partners, but it is contained in that 2-3% of society.

I do agree however that gay sex is unique because there are so many who simply accept it as normal, who justify it as something to be celebrated as who they are, and this is a major problem for a sin. I think that same process happened in the 70's with the divorce explosion, it became normalized and accepted, at one time divorce was considered shameful, and for good reason, at one time gay sex was considered shameful and with good reason.

So yeah I think it is a problem, but I think the information is out there, people know where we stand or should. I just don't know if we as individual Christians need to feel compelled to proactively confront gay people we know, about their sin, as long as we are honest about what we believe and why. However I think if we have a practicing gay person IN our congregation that is a whole different story and we are directly guided to talk to that person about their outward sin.

[David from New Bern]

Well I have known and been around actually quite a few gays. They don't disgust me, but they also don't act out around me either (kiss, hold hands etc), I think they do that out of respect for my beliefs and they know I am a conservative Christian.

But I don't feel any compunction to tell them they are sinful or point out that homosexuality is a sin, life is far to short for that and I like talking to these guys they are my friends. Maybe someday they will come to faith in Christ, I don't hide the truth either if they ask me about what my congregation believes, but they never do because they know, so it does not come up.

I have friends who are divorced also and I don't point out there sin, I also know a couple of people who I suspect are having sex outside of marriage, but I am not going to stick my nose into the sex life of a 35 year old man and women, I will tell them what the bible says about marriage and pre-marital sex if they ask, but they won't, they know what it says, they just don't care.

We have to exist in this world, Paul says that we are to be "blameless and harmless" but he goes on to say "in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation", nothing much has changed. But I also realize that these sins are no worse than any sin I have committed.

I want to agree with you at some points of the argument. But I am not willing to submit to your point that homosexuality is like any other sin, or any other heterosexual sin. Sin is sin, you are right. But there are varying degrees of consequences to the individual, their partner, to families, and to our culture. And historically and practically homosexuality is epitomy of destruction for individuals, families, and our culture. Because of its deception it deeply entrenches and stains all who directly and indirectly participate or merely condone it with their silence. It is the reason society questions the Bible that clearly condemns it.

Well I do agree about degrees of consequences. But from a societal standpoint the most destructive sin to families and our culture is divorce and particularly divorce with children and re-marriage with more children etc. Gays make up maybe 2-3%(the gay lobby pumps this up of course) of the total population, divorce hurts millions of our children every year, divorce except in the case of abuse, always hurts children, always destroys a family. A gay man having promiscuous sex hurts himself and his partners, but it is contained in that 2-3% of society.

I do agree however that gay sex is unique because there are so many who simply accept it as normal, who justify it as something to be celebrated as who they are, and this is a major problem for a sin. I think that same process happened in the 70's with the divorce explosion, it became normalized and accepted, at one time divorce was considered shameful, and for good reason, at one time gay sex was considered shameful and with good reason.

So yeah I think it is a problem, but I think the information is out there, people know where we stand or should. I just don't know if we as individual Christians need to feel compelled to proactively confront gay people we know, about their sin, as long as we are honest about what we believe and why. However I think if we have a practicing gay person IN our congregation that is a whole different story and we are directly guided to talk to that person about their outward sin.

Smalcald... your point is well taken. In support you'll notice that the Bible specifically spells out that God hates divorce because of it destructive nature to the fabric of our society. There is as well the strongest language used for God's distaste of homosexuality, it is called an abomination. There is no disagreement here. I was just making the point that it is not just any sin, and there is reason to suggest that there is a need to shed some light on the deception here and not condone with passive tolerance. Of course we want to win these folks, but they are out to convince the general population that their's is a amoral, alternative lifestyle choice. And if you call it a sin you are the biggot and ignorant. The education system seeks to tell us religious types that we are ignorant that there is a gene that causes this birth defect. And that we are cruel to point to this "abnormality" as a sin, and we certainly shouldn't tell them they are headed to hell.

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.1 Corinthians 6:9-10NKJV

Edited March 26, 2006 by David from New Bern