Church of Christ Called Cult on CNN

[Arthur Durnan]

But Kyra Phillips is a Kennedy Liberal, right? She can't touch Laura Ingraham.

God Bless America!

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[Arthur Durnan]

But Kyra Phillips is a Kennedy Liberal, right? She can't touch Laura Ingraham.

God Bless America!

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

[Arthur Durnan]

Sorry. A.D.

[other one]

My understanding is that the Church of Christ does believe in Baptismal regeneration. Is that true?

yes that is true, and to make it worse all the leaders of the churches that I know believe that only members of the Church of Christ can baptize you...... so if you have not been batpized by a member of that church..... well it's the fire for you.

[Yahsway]

I agree with otherone. My granddad was a staunch coc and they believe they are the church and only church.

I did read however that out of all the protestant curches/denominations , that they have the highest suicide rate per some study that was done on suicide and christians.

[Elihu's Girl]

I have heard the International Church of Christ called a cult before also, but not because they believe that Christ is the only way to heaven.

The ways in which it differs from Christianity:

1. You're not fully saved when you believe in Christ. To be saved you've got to be baptised too. They use Mark 16:16 as their support for their belief + baptism = salvation formula.

2. Generic Baptism isn't true or effective. When you're baptized you've got to be baptised as a disciple in the International Church of Christ by an ICOC minister.

Christ alone is not enough you've got to have their intense discipleship method. Only members of the ICOC are truly saved.

Their doctrine hovers dangerously close to salvation thru works.

I can't talk about the experiences of individual members of the church; they may believe in Christ for their salvation and not discipleship or baptism. I'm just talking about the overall doctrine of the church.

Galatians 2:16 Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God becasue of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law.

Galatians 3:10 But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, "Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God's Book of the Law." So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, "It is through faith that a righteous person has life." This way of faith is very different from the way of law, which says, "It is through obeying the law that a person has life."

Galatians 5:2 thru 4 Listen! I, Paul tell you this: If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ will be of no benefit to you. I'll say it again. If you are trying to make yourselves rith with God by being circumcised, you must obey the whole law of Moses. For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace.

The members of the Church of Christ who almost converted me once loved to quote James... faith without works is dead. And they were right. Faith is active. However, salvation is not by works. Rather than pointing at the actions of someone who says they believe in Christ as their Lord and Savior and declaring them unsaved, perhaps the Church of Christ should correct their brothers and sisters in Christ, advising them on how to have a more active faith.

I also heard that they are disconnected from the Holy Spririt due to their fear of committing the unforgivable sin. At least a chapter in Houston is.

[Scarletprayers]

My understanding is that the Church of Christ does believe in Baptismal regeneration. Is that true?

yes that is true, and to make it worse all the leaders of the churches that I know believe that only members of the Church of Christ can baptize you...... so if you have not been batpized by a member of that church..... well it's the fire for you.

Not true, at least not at any of the Churchs of Christ I've ever been to, anybody who has been baptized can baptize someone else.

[Scarletprayers]

Butero, I've heard questionable things about the Church of Christ all my life, most of it I personally have never heard before, except for the person telling me about it.

They do believe that since the Church is Christ bride, that the Church of Christ is the correct name to call believers.

They believe you have to be baptised to be saved.

No instrumental music in worship

No women preachers, women can't lead prayers, or serve the Lords Supper

They have the Lord's Supper every Sunday

They believe you are saved by faith not by works

They are very Bible driven the only stance or creed or what ever you want to call it is, Speak where the Bible speaks and be silent where the Bible is silent. Or otherwise Do not add to or take away from the word.

Do I now believe exactly the above yes and no, Its awful hard to get over 40 + years, but I wouldn't tell somebody because of the church they attend they are not saved, I don't have a problem with someone using music in worship, because I've never had that, I actually perfer NOT to have music, I would rather hear the Saints voices raised in praise. And to be honest after being here, and talking with people and going over the scriptures with them and studying on my own, I not sure if I believe any longer that you must be baptised to be saved. I still worship there, its where I feel most comfortable, its where the Bible was teased, loved, drilled and read into my head every day of my life, and I truly appreciate the gift of knowledge that was given to me during my childhood/adult life there. Regardless of your agreement or disagreement with the way the Church of Christ operates, they usually have more people that actually KNOW what the Bible says, because its read and studied everytime the doors are opened. It isn't talked about in a by the way the Bible says........................its the BIBLE SAYS and you work your way out from there.

[K.L.]

If CNN said it, it must be true..tsk...tsk.

Silentprayer, you mentioned about the Church of Christ not playing musical instruments, so correct me if I'm wrong, the church is not against instruments just not using them on Sunday. Correct? Now I remember being told this about a particular denomination but can't remember which, but they also do not play instruments, because they consider that to be work, and don't want to place a burden on anyone on their sabbath. is that true for the Church of Christ? If so, that makes alot of sense.

K.L.

[Scarletprayers]

Butero, you are correct about instruments during worship.

The remark about people saying things about the coc were not directed at you, I was just explaining that most of the things I had heard about the church being "strange" come from those outside of it, not people who acutally knew something about it.

Please accept my apology if you thought I was directing that remark to you.