Tongues what do you think? (MERGED TOPIC)

[other one]

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..the entire Word of God is still inforce today, that includes all the rules God has set before us...

sw:

Don't mean to be sarcastic but does that mean we should put adulterous adults, non-obedient children and practicing homosexuals to death? Those were the rules.

Don't mean to be silly, but I'll bet the world would be a better place if we did....

[st. Worm]

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Don't mean to be silly, but I'll bet the world would be a better place if we did...

SW:

There is a wacko out in Oklahoma who would agree with you. But I am certain you would also be guilty of one of those laws of OT Israel and therefore would qualify for a death sentence yourself. You might want to check all of those out before you say you would want to live under them. Have you always kept the Sabboth perfectly holy? No? Then we must put you to death with the homosexuals and the adulterors too I guess.

Of course I assume you were only joking but around here I have seen some strange things so one never knows for sure!

sw

[Guest jckduboise]

Let me see...

My oldest son was about 3 I believe it was and we had been into the hippy culture for a while..

we moved into a house where some wonderful Christian folks lived and we knew God wanted us out of the life we were living and they invited us to church and our lives were altered forever..

and it was then they prayed for us and we began speaking in Tongues..

I had been to a Pentecostal Church once as a child with my parents ant it was then that I knew speaking in tongues was a manifestation of the Spirit..

I just knew in my heart what I saw and heard was of God...

it was not until an adult that I was able to move in that gift...

Tah,

That is about the most beautiful testimony I have heard....I love Pentacostal and their freedom to celebrate our Lord..

[Guest jckduboise]

Quote:

..the entire Word of God is still inforce today, that includes all the rules God has set before us...

sw:

Don't mean to be sarcastic but does that mean we should put adulterous adults, non-obedient children and practicing homosexuals to death? Those were the rules.

Jesus told us what our commandments are.....and so did God...The good old Ten Commandments will ALWAYS apply as will the Commands of Jesus..Those things don't change ever...what changed is quite simple: Jesus came to be our mediator so that we are not still put to death for the above offenses, St Worm...God's word will never change, He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow..therefore his rules set before us do not change either.

[Guest jckduboise]

As for speaking in tongues I truly believe that God gives that gift through the Holy Spirit but I have never asked for the gift.

[st. Worm]

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"Jesus came to be our mediator so that we are not still put to death for the above offenses, St Worm..."

sw:

But Jesus is the mediator for sinners in the OT too. They were just on the other side of the cross. The poster said all the Bible was applicable for us today so therefore speaking in tongues today must be valid. I was just challenging that argument.

Also I would say the OT law of Israel is not valid for believers but if we go with his reasoning then those OT laws are still valid.

sw

[Guest jckduboise]

quote:

"Jesus came to be our mediator so that we are not still put to death for the above offenses, St Worm..."

sw:

But Jesus is the mediator for sinners in the OT too. They were just on the other side of the cross. The poster said all the Bible was applicable for us today so therefore speaking in tongues today must be valid. I was just challenging that argument.

Also I would say the OT law of Israel is not valid for believers but if we go with his reasoning then those OT laws are still valid.

sw

I see your point. And if not for the Grace of God there go I.....

[Guest WeBi]

I do speak in tongues. I'll never forget that day. It was sometime in July of the year 2000. My teacher at school(I'm in a Christian school) prayed with me. And since then I've been able to speak in tongues. Being in the presence of God is a wonderful thing, wouldn't you say?

[Guest Daave]

"...if a person discounts one of the Gifts of the Spirit, they might as well discount all of them and forget about asking..."says Mr and Mrs Mike Irish.

This is the kind of additude that is so very prevalent among the elite. The elite that I was associated with for so many years and am proud now, not to be a part of.

O.K. let's say that tongues are for today because Paul speaks of tongues and gives outlines for their use. And that it is directed to the church at large, or the Body of Christ as a whole for all time.

Alright?

So...let's also keep this statment as is also; same letter, same audiance, same chapter, same apostle:

34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

35. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Remember, God is the same, yesterday, today and forever.............If we are going to say that what is explained in chapter 14 is not for the benifit of a church with a blend of those who spoke in tongues and those who did not; and hold the hard line that there is no room for any other position. Then verses 34 and 35 had better get just as staunch of a position, and be held fast in the same manner.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

This verse has been quoted to support tongues, it is totally taken out of context. Read for yourself:

7. Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

8. Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. 9. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

10. We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.

11. For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

12. Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

13. Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

14. For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

15. By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

16. But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

The context is to be sure an maintain the truth of the grace of God which has never changed, and that we, like Jesus are to bear his reproach.

We want to know what God has to say don't we?

Following Jesus,

Daave

[O'Dannyboy]

I have heard many people say that "tongues" is a prayer language and that they have "manifested" from time to time, the ability to speak Gods' language, as it were. I however believe that "tongues" or speaking with "many tongues" is the true gift, where those that have this gift can speak and be understood by believers, regardless what their native language is. I may be mistaken, but untill I witness an occurance that is contrary to what I believe, then I have no choice but to rank the popular form of tongues in there with trances and snake dancing.