neo-pharisees

[Kabowd]

I am still waiting for the truth of this to be refuted by scripture.

For one, LIKE I KEEP SAYING, it's not that we disagree that false teachers and doctrine should be exposed. WE GET THAT. But there is a TIME, PLACE, and WAY to go about doing it. For goodness sakes, dude, when you have people who agree with your point asking you to chill that should tell you something. If we agree on the issue of exposing false doctrine and yet we're telling you it's time to let it rest...imagine the one's who don't even agree that they should be exposed.

Use discernment, k? Remember who you're trying to reach and whether or not they are open to what you're saying. This is one of the key points you seem to be missing here. Going on and on and on and on and on and on is overkill. It turns people off to what you're saying altogether. People are much more open to listening to someone who is balanced, humble enough to admit their own faults and willing to listen..than they are someone who seems to take sheer delight in just airing someone else's dirty laundry and chucking stones one right after another.

[Kabowd]

And another thing, there have been topics started before about Jessica Simpson, Benny Hinn, etc, etc....and those topics all ended being closed. Why? Because, while the content may have been true, it just shows a lack of grace and love to devote entire topics to "exposing" someone. The initial intention may be sincere, but if we aren't careful they quickly turn into mobs of just bashing on someone and it should not be tolerated. This doesn't mean they weren't true, it just means they weren't necessary and they didn't benefit the body.

We have a difficult enough time showing the world that we belong to God. We don't need to add to it by coming off like a bunch of bloodthirsty vulchers circling around the wounded. The world already knows that there is disunity within the body, and attacking one another publicly doesn't help to correct that. The Scripture teaches that they will know us by our love. Maybe if we put more effort into that, there would be less of a need to "expose" everyone else.

[Kabowd]

"Sighing" is not an argument or a very intelligent rebuttle.

Neither is refusing to respond to objections brought up against what you are saying.

You once again show us your Purtain witch hunting tactics in providing a straw man to make my position, and then state that I am against speaking out against heresy. Either you are incapable of comprehending the English language, or you are doing this on purpose. Either way, you are showing that you are no better than the people you criticize because you use the same tactics to push a person out of the discussion and into a label group. I stated:

IF you attack the beliefs and then point out people who teach these beliefs, people begin to draw their own conclusions. Right now they know Benny Hinn is bad. Wonderful. So someone comes along who is a watered down version and teaches the same junk and it's back to square one. If you, however, teach that the doctrine of Benny Hinn is bad, then the person learning can pinpoint in the future when that teaching arises and avoid it all together. This is what the Bible does. It only mentions people and their wrong doings because the rest of the Bible has already stated that the actions on these beliefs are wrong (and the beliefs themselves).

After this, you posted:

If those of us who wish to expose error are to be labled as "neo-pharisees" heresey hunters" or being on a "witch hunt" then so be it.

This is not a response. The fact is, you have misrepresented my position ON PURPOSE because you choose nto to deal with it. It is easier to burn me if I'm a witch than to deal with the merit of what I am saying.

There is no need to be so obtuse in the way you reply. You do not need to compare me to TBN or act like I'm trying to silence you. I'm simply saying te way you approach this issue is obsessive and highly unbiblical. I have provided you reasons as to why names are named and you have ignored it. Why? Because you'd rather continue in your ways than face the fact you need to change..and it's much easier to lump me into a crowd than to actually face what I'm saying.

[Rober H]

apothanein kerdos

I never said that said that you said "solely" so keep your money and your word. Please, continue to post here. It is up to you to go our stay. As far as I am concerned you are welcome.

I said "solely" because I want to put the emphasis on error and the ones promoting it. I don't want to focus on just bad doctrine and have given my reasons for naming names.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Robert

[Rober H]

APOSTASY ALERT...Jackie Alnor-may 27,2006-Moriel Ministries/email alert.

there is a new term being brandished against those in the church called as watchmen. it used to be "heresy hunters", but now we're being called "neo-pharisees". the former label was made popular by TBN'S, Paul Crouch, against those who exposed the false doctrines of TBN regulars who taught the positive confessional/word faith teachings they utilized to get the viewers to pay them for God's favors.

the new term is courtesy of the emerging church using such demogogy against anyone who dares to point out the occult/mystical roots of contemplatative prayer and iconology.

That is a very mean spirited tactic and diversion that TBN and it's leaders use to quelch those who point out false teacers and teachings isn't it?

[jamie]

*sigh*

Like a broken record...

No one has resorted to character assasination as far as Hinns personal life, no one is committing any ad hominem attacks.

Everything has been focused on Hinns doctrines.

The thing is, someone will always cry foul, someone always thinks they know best.

Argumant for the sake of argument, being right for the sake of being right.

[BlindSeeker]

*sigh*

Like a broken record...

An appropriate response for post# 161

[BlindSeeker]

Broken records? The repetitious noise of one boasting of having

[BlindSeeker]

*sigh*

Like a broken record...

No one has resorted to character assasination as far as Hinns personal life, no one is committing any ad hominem attacks.

Everything has been focused on Hinns doctrines.

The thing is, someone will always cry foul, someone always thinks they know best.

Argumant for the sake of argument, being right for the sake of being right.

. . . or for the sake of being more righter

[Rober H]

Broken records? The repetitious noise of one boasting of having