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"If you love me, obey me:"

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John 14:15-16 says, "If you love me, obey me: and I will ask the Father and He will give you another Comforter, and he will never leave you." Does everyone Love Jesus enough to obey Him? :rofl:

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Hi Commentor,

Yes, I love Him very much and He loves me, and I try to obey His commands, but don't forget we are not in heaven yet.....

Love in Christ, Angels :rofl:

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Commentor--We should obey his commands, those that are written I presume is what you're talking about.

But I dont think that is all there is to obeying Him. We should always be at the ready to listen to what he speaks to us personally to do.  

IMO, this is equally important and helps us in the works that he wants us to do, on a personal level. Otherwise, who will work in His fields?

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Peace and Joy to all!

Some folks might think this is being too nit-picky, but experience has shown it to at least be a crucial (determining or decisive), although possibly just shy of vital (necessary for life) point:

In John 14:15-16, YahShua actually and contextually says something more like, "If you love me, you shall/will keep/guard/obey my commandments, and I shall/will ask the Father, and He shall/will give/send you another Helper" in order to make that even possible.

In those verses, YahShua did NOT say, "If you love me, then prove it by obeying me."  For if we could have done that (as to being obedient), He would have needed to come in the first place, and if we could do that now, He would not have needed to send another after.

So, may we let Him do within us what we could not do without.

Just a couple of points to ponder ...

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If you love the Messiah you will submit to His teachings and attempt to follow them, in doing this you will show that you agree with His teachings in your heart/soul and it is this state of agreement/submission that is needed before the  Spirit/healper is sent to you.

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I well understand that teaching, but that is not my personal experience.

I was dying in the gutter when He came to me, and if He had not first began His work within me, I could never have obeyed even the simplest of any commandment.

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I think the holy spirit first comes to us externally and speaks to us, or he could aid us. But he does not indwell us internally until we are in that agreement IMO.

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Warm greetings!

I believe we agree.  And it is today because of His indwelling that I even can obey, rather than that He has filled me because I obey.

Of course, there are some subtleties to "obey" we must also consider here, such as I had to "obey" when He said, "Be quiet for a moment and listen to me, lest you die!"  But as far as keeping/obeying/guarding YahShua's read-'em-in-Scripture commandments is concerned, that for me came after the Spirit's indwelling, not before.

Is that consistent with what you are saying?

Blessings!

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I think the holy spirit first comes to us externally and speaks to us, or he could aid us. But he does not indwell us internally until we are in that agreement IMO.

Interesting thoughts CD I will be thinking it over.

I feel that the first step must come from us either when we reach the depth of despair and call out for help or just from knowing there is more to existence than this material existence. The Spirit may walk beside us, guiding us until we are ready to accept the Messiah and therefore Him.

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Warm greetings!

I believe we agree.

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