American Islam

[uvn477]

I am talking through my own experiences on the religion of Islam. American Muslims tend to say that real Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. Now this confuses me because America tends to be the only place this type of Islam exists. Prevalent in the Middle East is what we in America have come to know as radical Islam. So I'm wondering which is the real Islam?

Well after traveling to the Middle East, I can't help but believe the people who have practiced the same traditions for centuries and live in the birth place of this religion. I found that American Muslims believe in a liberl version of the true Muslim faith. It is kind of like Christians who hire homosexual clergy, promote abortion, practice premarital sex, and just do everything thats contradictory to the Bible and still claim to be Christians. One of my acquaintances in the Middle East told me that American Muslims were seen my the other Muslim communities around the world as the worst types of Muslims. After learning about the Koran and the religion itself, I found that American Muslims are very unreliable to speak about Islam to. It is a completely different religion to them. I know Muslims frequent this forum so I want to hear from you. What can you say to this?

[Christian]

uvn477,

I will never be silent about the blasphemy that is the Koran and Islam.

Any "religion" that claims:

Monotheistic (5:73; 112:1-4), denies the Trinity (5:73).

Jesus is not God, (5:17, 75)

Jesus was not Crucified, (4:157).

Jesus did not rise from the dead.

Jesus was not the Son of God ( 9:30)

The Holy Spirit is the angel Gabriel (2:97; 16:102).

(* source CHRISTIAN APOLOGETICS & RESEARCH MINISTRY)

Honestly in my opinion it has no place being mentioned here on a site that is designed to glorify Christ. I could care less what "version" of Islam these people practice. It should be made clear that they are NOT in any way in harmony with Christianity and very much against what He stands for.

Not to be rude brother,

Just defending Christ

His servant,

-CC-

[apothanein kerdos]

UNV, you bring up a valid point. Many American Muslims are extremely liberal in their beliefs (liberal to other Muslims around the world). However, there is a growing trend in the US amongst younger Muslims to start listening to clerics from the Middle East. The irony is that, the older a person is in Islam, the more likely he is to be less radical. In the US, we are having a problem. For instance, in my hometown the local mosque for years has been extremely liberal, so liberal as to have Christian and Jewish leaders come in and have discussions about religion. However, they have recently been getting students in there on university visas who are from the middle east and are beginning to radicalize some of the youth there. Ten years ago you rarely saw a woman walk around covered, maybe with something covering her head. Now, there are more and more women walking around fully covered. More and more men are growing their beards out. The fact is, American muslims may be tame now, but within twenty years they will be extremely radical.

[Trinity]

The fact is, American muslims may be tame now, but within twenty years they will be extremely radical.

scary thought...

Yes i notes the changes too

[nebula]

I'm noticing a lot more Muslim immigrants in my school (community college in Columbia, MD).

[Trinity]

uvn477,

I will never be silent about the blasphemy that is the Koran and Islam.

Any "religion" that claims:

Monotheistic (5:73; 112:1-4), denies the Trinity (5:73).

Jesus is not God, (5:17, 75)

Jesus was not Crucified, (4:157).

Jesus did not rise from the dead.

Jesus was not the Son of God ( 9:30)

The Holy Spirit is the angel Gabriel (2:97; 16:102).

(* source CHRISTIAN APOLOGETICS & RESEARCH MINISTRY)

Honestly in my opinion it has no place being mentioned here on a site that is designed to glorify Christ. I could care less what "version" of Islam these people practice. It should be made clear that they are NOT in any way in harmony with Christianity and very much against what He stands for.

Not to be rude brother,

Just defending Christ

His servant,

-CC-

In all respect to you

Not you are anyone can just pretend they are not there, otherwise how will we reach out to them? And i noticed in another thread you mentioned not ever allowing that Book-(The Koran) into your house. Now, I have one in my house for studying purposes only, it might as well be a text-book so i know better how to efficiently debunk Islam. You seem to be a little afraid of this book, while we should take precaution to it we cannot pretend it doesn't exist, it does so we should know what it says so we can show Muslims their error.

In all Respect,

Joel

[uvn477]

uvn477,

I will never be silent about the blasphemy that is the Koran and Islam.

Any "religion" that claims:

Monotheistic (5:73; 112:1-4), denies the Trinity (5:73).

Jesus is not God, (5:17, 75)

Jesus was not Crucified, (4:157).

Jesus did not rise from the dead.

Jesus was not the Son of God ( 9:30)

The Holy Spirit is the angel Gabriel (2:97; 16:102).

(* source CHRISTIAN APOLOGETICS & RESEARCH MINISTRY)

Honestly in my opinion it has no place being mentioned here on a site that is designed to glorify Christ. I could care less what "version" of Islam these people practice. It should be made clear that they are NOT in any way in harmony with Christianity and very much against what He stands for.

Not to be rude brother,

Just defending Christ

His servant,

-CC-

I agree with you that this site is designed to glorify our Lord and savior. However, I also believe it to be a place of discussion, debate, and gaining a better understanding of the Bible. You can't live life pretending Christianity is the only religion out there. There are thousands which we must know about. How would you combat something like Islam when you know nothing about it. Ironically when Muslims engage in debates with Christians, they don't use the Koran, they use the Bible. You have to know the enemy to fight the enemy.

Now let's discuss who the enemy is. Many Christians think the enemy is the Muslim. Yet the Muslim is only a victim of the true enemy which is the religion of Islam. This applies to all who deny Christ or follow other gods.

I can see that you are a very faithful servant. However you can't defend Christ when you're not using the right weapons. Please take these words at heart and open your mind to what is out there.

Edited June 2, 2006 by uvn477

[elkieDannsa' Air An Drochaid]

just not posting as it seems totally misunderstood in here.

[traveller]

This site is about glorifying Christ. I don't think the OP has an intention of not doing so with this thread. Clearly we live in a world where we are exposed to many different religions and cults. Is it wrong to understand our neighbors?

We do not allow the koran to be posted here. We do not allow the actual teaching of Islam here. That is not being done in this thread. The subject matter is controversial, and therefore will be watched, but so far, the thread is fine.

[Fiosh]

Monotheistic (5:73; 112:1-4), denies the Trinity (5:73).

Jesus is not God, (5:17, 75)

Jesus was not Crucified, (4:157).

Jesus did not rise from the dead.

Jesus was not the Son of God ( 9:30)

The Holy Spirit is the angel Gabriel (2:97; 16:102).

(* source CHRISTIAN APOLOGETICS & RESEARCH MINISTRY)

Many Christians think the enemy is the Muslim. Yet the Muslim is only a victim of the true enemy which is the religion of Islam.

Excellent point, uvn! Islam is, after all, pretty much just another Christian heresy leading people astray from the Truth. And because it purports to give its adherents "power", it is attractive to the youth and those members of society who feel oppressed and weak.

I agree. We need to understand what we are up against if we are to effectively evangelize Muslims. Until you can view them with compassion, as you say---victims---we truly are fighting the wrong enemy. Very true, uvn, very insightful.

Peace,

Fiosh