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Often times when a person points out doctrinal error or blatant sin practiced or taught by an individual, organization or group of people someone pulls out Matthew 7 as a verse to silence the person who is exposing the problem.

"Judge not!"

Another verse misquoted and abused is "he who is free from sin let him cast the first stone". John


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You're right people take it out of context all the time by not reading the entire passage:

Matt. 7:1ff "Do not judge so that you will not be judged.

For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standardof measure, it will be measured to you.

Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?...

You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

We are called to discern and judge according to the Word of God, but we have to have our conscience clean before God before we help a brother out of his sin or warn others to stay away from one who refuses to get rid of his sin so that he does not mislead others. All of this must be done in love and truth.


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I cannot beging to come up with all the scripture that would tell us to watch for each other and to exhort each other and to pray for each other..

Telling someone the truth may seem to be judging to the one who desires not to hear the truth but it is life to those who will be turned from their sinful ways..

if our hearts are "judgmental" in a hateful manner then God deal with us and make us clean of this sinful behavour..

if our judgments are true then God turn that heart that needs to hear the truth....

my take on your question... :emot-pray:

Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

Jam 5:17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.

Jam 5:18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.

Jam 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;

Jam 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

1Th 5:14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

1Th 5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

1Th 5:16 Rejoice evermore.

1Th 5:17 Pray without ceasing.

1Th 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.

1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.


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Matthew 7

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Luke 6

20And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.

21Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.

22Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

23Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

24But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.

25Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.

26Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

27But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

28Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

29And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

30Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

32For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

33And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

34And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

35But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

36Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

37Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

38Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

39And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?

40The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

41And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

42Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

1 Corinthians 6:3

Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

John 7:24

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

judgement is very important to learn. it is essential, in fact. but what is this judgement for? it is for us to see ourselves clearly first. is this easy to do? no, it clearly is not or the subject would not merit so much attention by the lord jesus. the key is this last statement in john, but you must answer the question, what is righteous judgement? obviously not according to what is easily perceptible. that would be, at best, presumptuous, at worst, some sort of personality disorder or psychosis.

and example of righteous judgement was when jesus told peter that he would deny him. all righteous judgement is true.

thank you, robert, for a great subject matter and one of extreme importance to all of our walks.

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Many people call people who have another gospel "good Christians" because they have done good works on the earth.

Many times when fatal doctrinal errors concerning salvation are pointed out the verse "judge not" is pulled out.

This verse has become a catch all to excuse extremely dangerous doctrines which confuse and confound those new or weak in the faith.

Remember Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light and seduce people. Many times his ministers do good works and sound godly in their speech.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

We cannot warn and exhort the church if these folks are not called to task.


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2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ....

see 'em all the time.


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You all nailed that one, God bless you!! :24::21:


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If they accept that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, and his diety, I will leave the final judgement up to Christ as to whether they are saved or not.

Any old wolf in sheeps clothing will tell you that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, and his diety. I know my old apostate preacher taught that, but he didn't preach the same gospel and it wasn't the same Jesus

If we would preach the gospel and make disciples when such a person hears something that contradicts scripture, they will recognize it. They won't need us to tell them

Thats not true because some believers are very gullible and lack discernment. This is why the body has many parts.


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If that is the case Jamie, how do we know who to believe when they tell us someone is false?

I never have to believe or not believe anybody when they tell me someone is a false teacher. I will usually already know in my own spirit one way or another.

There are some things that might not be right that I can look over as long as it doesn't pervert the character of God.

Cults aren't really what I consider dangerous for most christians because they aren't a hidden deception to most people, it's the churches that preach half truths and doctrines that pervert Gods character in subtle ways that are dangerous.

In my old church just the refusal to preach against sin was disastrous, yet the preacher appeared to be the sweetest thing since icecream.

I guess we have to ask ourselves, "is this person preaching the true character of God, His expectations and His holiness"

We have to look at the fruit therein.


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Posted (edited)

Many people call people who have another gospel "good Christians" because they have done good works on the earth.

Many times when fatal doctrinal errors concerning salvation are pointed out the verse "judge not" is pulled out.

This verse has become a catch all to excuse extremely dangerous doctrines which confuse and confound those new or weak in the faith.

Remember Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light and seduce people. Many times his ministers do good works and sound godly in their speech.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

We cannot warn and exhort the church if these folks are not called to task.

Jesus also said a house divided against itsself can not stand. If a minister preaches the true plan of salvation, he is not of the Devil. One of Satans servants can not preach the true plan of Salvation. IF a minister teaches the following, he is not of Satan. Jesus is the Son of God. He came to Earth in the Form of a man. He died, rose, and is seated at the Right hand of the father. The only way to salvation is in faith in Him.

Satans servants can not preach the Gospel.

Oh yes they can.

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

It is possible to preach the gospel and yet add something to it and pervert the gospel.

A false teacher can preach that Jesus died for our sins and that He was buried and rose again from the dead and then add that keeping the law of Moses, circumcision or going to church on Sunday is a "requirment to be saved" and it becomes "another gospel which is not another".

We have the bible as our measuring rod for truth.

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