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In Greek, "baptizo" means: to immerse, or submerge.

Those who should be baptized: All believers. However, when a baptism does not take place for whatever reason, whether it be the fact that one never knew, or one dies before it can be accomplished, or one just is disobedient, the person's place in heaven is not lost. Heaven is for believers, those who have repented from their sin and turned away and follow Jesus Christ. They are saved by the blood, and covered by it. Waters of baptism do not save you.

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Eph. 5:26

Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word.

Symbolic.

Gal. 3:26-27

You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

Spiritual baptism.

Romans 6:3-4

Don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?

Spiritual baptism.

John 3:5

No one can enter the Kingdom of Heaven unless he is born of water and the spirit.

Emphatic figure of speech (hendiadys) using repetition of spirit, once as a figure, once as literalism.

1 Peter 3:21

The water (of Noah's flood) symbolizes baptism that now saves you also ... It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Spiritual baptism.

That should be enough for starters.

Not yet a start. Not ever, I think.

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I have a question:I don't recall reading in the O.T about people being baptised.Maybe I have overlooked this.Did baptism exist in the O.T?Thanks.

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Really? Wow! THE WHOLE CHURCH HAD IT WRONG FOR NEARLY 2000 YEARS, until somebody in the 1500's discovered the 'truth' about baptism! Amazing that anyone can believe such a thing.............

The implication of this statement is that for the firdt 1500 years of the church, they had complete and perfect understanding of all things pertaining to God and doctrine.

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In Greek, "baptizo" means: to immerse, or submerge.

Those who should be baptized: All believers. However, when a baptism does not take place for whatever reason, whether it be the fact that one never knew, or one dies before it can be accomplished, or one just is disobedient, the person's place in heaven is not lost. Heaven is for believers, those who have repented from their sin and turned away and follow Jesus Christ. They are saved by the blood, and covered by it. Waters of baptism do not save you.

Not in all cases. It also means to dip even though not completely immersed. This is a fallacy. Further no one said the waters of baptism save you. It is ultimately God's Word that saves.

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Grace to you,

St. Worm,

Just because someone rejects the promises of God in their baptism does not mean the promises are invalid.

So someone who has no intention of following Christ nor His Word is Saved through a Sacrament in which they participated?

How has this ended their will and dead useless life at the Cross thus allowing the Lords to take over in His Ressurection?

Peace,

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Eph. 5:26

Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word.

Symbolic.

Gal. 3:26-27

You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

Spiritual baptism.

Romans 6:3-4

Don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?

Spiritual baptism.

John 3:5

No one can enter the Kingdom of Heaven unless he is born of water and the spirit.

Emphatic figure of speech (hendiadys) using repetition of spirit, once as a figure, once as literalism.

1 Peter 3:21

The water (of Noah's flood) symbolizes baptism that now saves you also ... It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Spiritual baptism.

That should be enough for starters.

Not yet a start. Not ever, I think.

:huh:

So everything is either symbolic or "spiritual baptism" if that's what you need it to say to deny the reality of water baptism. Great principle of interpretation there jackie. Thomas Jefferson used much the same method to remove all miracles from his Bible. It is the way of the humanist. If it doesn't fit logic, then I just interprete it away or cut it out.

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OK . I am closing this as well

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Grace to you,

St. Worm,

Does the Sacrament Save?

Peace,

Dave

Eric,

Sorry I didn't see that you had closed this.

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Grace to you,

St. Worm,

Does the Sacrament Save?

Peace,

Dave

Eric,

Sorry I didn't see that you had closed this.

The reason I closed this is that these threads are not reflecting the love that Jesus commanded that we have for one another. They degenerate into people caiming to hold the spiritual high-ground slinging nasties at each other. This topic seems to be degenerating more quicky these days

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