Israel's current war

[RND]

If it is in the Holy Bible then I believe it. If you have a problem with anything being replaced you may want to take it up with our Heavenly Father. He is the one that made the Jews covenant "conditional" and not "perpetual."

Israel's right to the Land and their place as God's nation is not "conditional." Israel's right to the Land is based upon the Abrahamic Covenant, which an unconditional convenant. Same with Israel's nationhood See Jeremiah 31:35-36. Israel is God's nation forever.

You know shiloh, I thought we were getting along so well, but it seems obvious to me that you have a problem with the Adventists and their interpretation of the Bible, let alone allowing other's to express a theological viewpoint different than yours.

I can't stop you from presenting your views, but if you start veering from the Bible I will be here to correct your errant "theology." I could tell from the beginning that you were baiting a trap.

I disagree with you asscertion with respect to the covenant promises regarding the land and with respect to me and my motives your suspisions are uncalled for, unnecessary and unwarranted. Unless of course you only want your views and your brand of theology preached here.

[nebula]

You cannot be saved simply because you were born a Jew.

Proclaiming that the Lord God is not finished with Israel (the Jews) yet is not claiming they have a free ride to salvation. That is a false accusation.

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Correction:

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. In referrence to the Gentiles

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? In referrence to the Gentiles

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. In referrence to the Gentiles

Wrong!

Here is how it should properly be understood:

12 Now if the fall of them (Jews) be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them (Jews) the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh (Jews - Paul was a Jew, remember?), and might save some of them (Gentiles).

15 For if the casting away of them (Jews) be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them (Jews) be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit (Jews) be holy, the lump (Gentiles) is also holy: and if the root (Jews) be holy, so are the branches (Gentiles).

[RND]

Some promises don't last forever:

Deuteronomy 4:25 When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evil in the sight of the LORD thy God, to provoke him to anger: 26 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed. 27 And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.

Deuteronomy 29:24 Even all nations shall say, Wherefore hath the LORD done thus unto this land? what meaneth the heat of this great anger? 25 Then men shall say, Because they have forsaken the covenant of the LORD God of their fathers, which he made with them when he brought them forth out of the land of Egypt: 26 For they went and served other gods, and worshipped them, gods whom they knew not, and whom he had not given unto them: 27 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against this land, to bring upon it all the curses that are written in this book: 28 And the LORD rooted them out of their land in anger, and in wrath, and in great indignation, and cast them into another land, as it is this day. 29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

[RND]

Proclaiming that the Lord God is not finished with Israel (the Jews) yet is not claiming they have a free ride to salvation. That is a false accusation.

He did not forget them, nor is He finished with them. God has provided for them and now therefore they are now free to accept the same salvation available to you and I.....the sacraficial blood of Jesus Christ.

[Guest shiloh357]

Some promises don't last forever:

But God's promise to Abraham that the Land of Israel is forever is found here:

And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

(Genesis 17:7-8)

He hath remembered his covenant forever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations. Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac; And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant: Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance:

(Psalms 105:8-11)

God's promise to Israel is that the Land is their's eternally.

God also promises that national Israel will NEVER be set aside by God:

Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me forever. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

(Jeremiah 31:35-37)

[RND]

Some promises don't last forever:

But God's promise to Abraham that the Land of Israel is forever is found here:

And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

(Genesis 17:7-8)

He hath remembered his covenant forever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations. Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac; And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant: Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance:

(Psalms 105:8-11)

God's promise to Israel is that the Land is their's eternally.

God also promises that national Israel will NEVER be set aside by God:

Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me forever. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

(Jeremiah 31:35-37)

I would suggest you read the promises and curses a tad closer. God indeed said they would lose their land, and they did. Then he brought them back, and they lost it again.

The whole world is Israel because Abramham's seed is the seed of many nations.

Face facts. Modern day Israel is a secular nation, not a theocracy as in Bible times. The Jews rejected Christ. The time of the Gentiles has begun and is being fulfilled.

[RND]

Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me forever. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

(Jeremiah 31:35-37)

The ordinances did depart from Israel and Judah BTW.

[Guest shiloh357]

Some promises don't last forever:

But God's promise to Abraham that the Land of Israel is forever is found here:

And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

(Genesis 17:7-8)

He hath remembered his covenant forever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations. Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac; And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant: Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance:

(Psalms 105:8-11)

God's promise to Israel is that the Land is their's eternally.

God also promises that national Israel will NEVER be set aside by God:

Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me forever. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

(Jeremiah 31:35-37)

I would suggest you read the promises and curses a tad closer. God indeed said they would lose their land, and they did. Then he brought them back, and they lost it again.

The whole world is Israel because Abramham's seed is the seed of many nations.

Face facts. Modern day Israel is a secular nation, not a theocracy as in Bible times. The Jews rejected Christ. The time of the Gentiles has begun and is being fulfilled.

Sorry RND, but you are the one who needs to read a little closer. God said that the covenant that He was establishing with Abraham and his seed (this is not referring to Christians or anyone else) the physical nation of Israel was an eternal covenant. This is not the "seed" promise that Paul refers to in Galatians. Paul is citing what God said in to Abraham in Genesis 21 when He is talking about the seed of Abraham.

The Land promise pertains to Abraham's natual seed, and God said that this is an "eternal" promise in Gen 17:7-9. Eternal means perpetual.

As for the current state of Israel, God promised to restore them and the current nation of Israel is a fulfillment of Ezekiel 36 and 37. God brought back only a small number of Jews from Babylon. Ezekiel 36 and 37 speak of God returning restoring Israel and returning their people from the nations where they were scattered. This two-thousand year long scattering was what God had restored the current nation of Israel from.

[Guest shiloh357]

Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me forever. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

(Jeremiah 31:35-37)

The ordinances did depart from Israel and Judah BTW.

Again, another lesson in reading comprehension... God was not talking about the ordinances of the sun and moon and stars departing from Israel.

If you really stop to read it, God is saying if these ordinances (sun, moon stars waves roaring, etc) depart from before Him (if they cease to exist) , if the foundations of the earth can ever be measured, then God will cast off Israel.

Since the Sun is still in the sky as is the moon and stars ,and since the waves still race to the shore, since the foundations of the earth have never been and never will be measured, then God has not cast of national Israel, and they are STILL his chosen nation, despite what anyone says.

[angels4u]

Shiloh,

As for the current state of Israel, God promised to restore them and the current nation of Israel is a fulfillment of Ezekiel 36 and 37. God brought back only a small number of Jews from Babylon. Ezekiel 36 and 37 speak of God returning restoring Israel and returning their people from the nations where they were scattered. This two-thousand year long scattering was what God had restored the current nation of Israel from.

Do you really think this is the war of Ez 36 and 37?

Doesn't that mean that Russia is going to play part in this too?