Good information on 'Born Gay' Studies

[Arthur Durnan]

Well, the bottom line on the issue of the abhorrent abnormality of homosexuality is the declaration of the Lord Jesus Christ, Head of the Christian Church. He has spoken to holy matrimony in Matthew 19:4-6. It would be fairly impossible to mish-mash His outstanding clarity on this vital matter.

"Have you not read that God Who made them from the beginning (brackets & caps mine in each instance - evidently HETEROsexuality has ALWAYS been the divinely-created order! (IE, 'from the beginning'!) and made them male and female ('and FEMALE, not male & male, IE, homosexual; or female & female, lesbian!, and said, 'For this reason(WHAT reason? Simple: male AND FEMALE UNION!) a man shall leave his father & mother (NOTE: NOT father AND MALE 'LOVER'!) and be joined to his wife (WIFE, not MALE 'LOVER'!), and the two (IE, TWO, NOT THREE OR FOUR (ie, Man & Woman, Male & Female) shall become one." Holy Kalamazoo, one cannot locate even a semblance of assent in these words of Jesus Christ for support of homosexual liaisons, much less holy matrimony.

Why can't homosexuals with even a hint of interest in the words of the Head of the Christian Church, LISTEN UP! - or at least tender resignation from the Church which Jesus Christ instituted? Let them also beware emulating the servant in the Persian Proverb where it is written that when the King says it is midnight at noon, the wise underling jumps up and murmurs "Ah, Yea, Behold the stars!" Some stars! Some underling!

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[Oh Hamburgers!]

"Have you not read that God Who made them from the beginning (brackets & caps mine in each instance - evidently HETEROsexuality has ALWAYS been the divinely-created order! (IE, 'from the beginning'!) and made them male and female ('and FEMALE, not male & male, IE, homosexual; or female & female, lesbian!, and said, 'For this reason(WHAT reason? Simple: male AND FEMALE UNION!) a man shall leave his father & mother (NOTE: NOT father AND MALE 'LOVER'!) and be joined to his wife (WIFE, not MALE 'LOVER'!), and the two (IE, TWO, NOT THREE OR FOUR (ie, Man & Woman, Male & Female) shall become one." Holy Kalamazoo, one cannot locate even a semblance of assent in these words of Jesus Christ for support of homosexual liaisons, much less holy matrimony.

Out of curiosity, how do you treat single men and women who never marry? They, like homosexuals, are not being joined with a wife or a husband, and are not becoming one with anyone. Obviously the issue of marriage in this situation is a non issue, but I'm curious as to how you view singles. Judging from this passage it seems wrong to not be married!

[Arthur Durnan]

Very nicely, thanx. Now the SPECIFIC NAME (one word will do it!) of the "heavenly language is.................

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[Floatingaxe]

Very nicely, thanx. Now the SPECIFIC NAME (one word will do it!) of the "heavenly language is.................

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YAWN. Don't derail this thread.

[Oh Hamburgers!]

Very nicely, thanx. Now the SPECIFIC NAME (one word will do it!) of the "heavenly language is.................

Do you view single men and women to be sinners for not marrying? It sounds like God's will is for men and women to marry and become one, and to refuse that gift is turning from God, much like homosexuality. Granted the Bible does say that homosexuality is an abomination, but do you think that single people who never marry yet remain celibate are commiting crimes as well for ignoring God's will?

[Floatingaxe]

I'm not going to answer for Arthur, but I do believe that we are meant to marry and answer the command to be fruitful and multiply. The exception is to devote oneself to the Lord so completely that a spouse would interfere with that devotion, which is what Paul was speaking of in his letter.

Otherwise, God loves to work through couples, and families.

[Floatingaxe]

As has been stated by the scientific community, homosexual behaviour has the effect of bonding a group,

...Insomuch as "birds of a feather flock together" or being "partners in crime" serves to bring some sort of solidarity to these people. That type of bonding society can do without.

You cannot compare the animal kingdom with humanity. We were created in the image of God, after all.

it does take a great deal of cooperation to raise a child after all.

The only co-operation required is that of the father and the mother...quite sufficient, and in God's economy---the epitome of arrangements!

Worldy, or secular wisdom cannot beat God's--ever! It is very secondary at best!

[Floatingaxe]

...Insomuch as "birds of a feather flock together" or being "partners in crime" serves to bring some sort of solidarity to these people. That type of bonding society can do without.

Your use of pithy phrases is bordering on an Appeal to Ridicule. Careful now No thoughts on the heterosexual fornicating in the animal kingdom?

You cannot compare the animal kingdom with humanity. We were created in the image of God, after all.

Oh, watch out for them Ad Hocs.

The only co-operation required is that of the father and the mother...quite sufficient, and in God's economy---the epitome of arrangements!

Worldy, or secular wisdom cannot beat God's--ever! It is very secondary at best!

Now you're simply ignoring the point made here, that is, how can one assert that homosexual behaviour in animals is merely for dominance?

Your wisdom claim is a different discussion entirely - I'll leave it with the observation that Biblical passages have never, to my knowledge, formed the basis for significant technologies that our civilisation depend on.

Secular wisdom is no wisdom. Therefore no truth is in it. Your views in this matter hold no weight.

[Joshua-777]

Now you're simply ignoring the point made here, that is, how can one assert that homosexual behaviour in animals is merely for dominance?

Your wisdom claim is a different discussion entirely - I'll leave it with the observation that Biblical passages have never, to my knowledge, formed the basis for significant technologies that our civilisation depend on.

The difference between man and animal, is the ability to discern right or wrong, And the wisdom of God goes beyond technologies, and earthly things, THose that don't know him, focus on what they can see, which is passing and will fade away, But the wisdom of God will last for eternity. I have a question, what technologies that our civilization stands againt the bible? You did just kind of show that God did create us in his image by the way. We are creators, he is the Creator, we have the ability to reason, to use logic, to discern.

Now as far as homosexuality, wether it is in the animal kingdom, interesting, I've heard whiptail lizards mentioned,

well, number 1, the male and females have little differences, that is very hard to tell

2. It is not proven that they can sence the difference between a male or female

3. They are carnal, no soul, just impulse, so therefore how does what they do have bearing on us?

All imorality has a consequence, sexual imorality has a big consequence, spread of std's with homosexuality, it does spread faster than male/female sexual fornication.

Now to kill the debate that pops up in various places, "what about all those people in africa who have aids?"

well, genital mutilation in some cultures, also it is a custom in the lower half of africa where someone passing by will have a girl to sleep with, really the aids problem comes from sexual imorality" period, little children are born with aids, as a result of the parents mistake. ANd in america, western homosexual males have a by far higher rate of having aids, also theres the whole bisexual situation, now how much faster will that spread life taking diseases?

[artsylady]

"What if a study would come out in the future that has conclusive evidence that 90% of homosexuals are born with homosexual tendencies?"

Why ask such a question?

How about this question instead.

What if they came out with a bunch of studies that are very inconclusive yet they continuously try to state it as actual evidence that people are born gay? This is what they've done. What is your reaction to this?

Why don't they conduct studies to find out people who have tendencies to steal are BORN that way?