Good information on 'Born Gay' Studies

[Joshua-777]

People just don't get it. You don't wake up one day and wish yourself to be gay. God hard coded in them to be gay. And if he made each and everyone of us to test our faith, then let god himself judge those people's merits. And if this fella is gay and a follower of Christ, we should be jumping up and down and praising that person that at least, he is on the right path.

when ya get a chance, read romans chapter 1.

Homosexuality is a bondage, we should not accept it, Jesus can free someone from this bondage, I have seen many freed from this.

[Joshua-777]

People just don't get it. You don't wake up one day and wish yourself to be gay. God hard coded in them to be gay. And if he made each and everyone of us to test our faith, then let god himself judge those people's merits. And if this fella is gay and a follower of Christ, we should be jumping up and down and praising that person that at least, he is on the right path.

when ya get a chance, read romans chapter 1.

Homosexuality is a bondage, we should not accept it, Jesus can free someone from this bondage, I have seen many freed from this.

freed?

or

placed a Bandaged over a wound that never healed.

No, a touch, a life giving presence that releaces them, and heals the wound,

Sin is the bandage over wounds that never heal,

Jesus is the only one that does heal them.

[Floatingaxe]

God never asks us to be good persons! He asks us to be obedient to Him! Homos are disobedient and their gods are their groins.

Ouch...

We all sin. A homo's god is God, same with a murderers God, same with a theif's God, same with a liar's God.

God is God, but He isn't anybody's God unless you accept His Son, Jesus. Otherwise, you don't have Him.

It's a narrow road to Heaven, but it is a wide path to destruction. Which road are you on? Some poor souls will find themselves herded off their chosen broad highway into oblivion, very surprised.

It's just that you are taking homosexuals, and setting them aside from normal sinners. Everyone sins. Everyone is disobedient at some point when they sin. Christians sin, but they are still Christians. Christians make exceptions for their weaknesses even when they shouldn't. I don't see homosexuals to be any different.

Normal sinners sin and if they are Christians, they repent. Unregenerate sinners sin and teach others to also, teaching them that it is good! This is the sinner we need to confront, and even moreso if they profess to know the Lord.

[Floatingaxe]

God hard coded in them to be gay.

Wrong-o.

[Guest i might be an atheist]

Is there anywhere I can go to discuss believers and the dinosaurs?

[Floatingaxe]

Is there anywhere I can go to discuss believers and the dinosaurs?

Welcome to Worthy!!

[Guest LadyC]

justaguy, all scripture is God-breathed. paul just took dictation. you would know this if you knew Jesus.

[Kansasdad]

KansasDad:

When is a marriage a marriage? When does God consider someone married?

1) Is it when the minister/priest/pastor says: I now declare you.....

2) is it when you sign the register?

3) is it when you sleep with the person you love?

Does the Bible actually give a clear instruction as to when in the eyes of God someone is married?

Isaac had 2 wives: Rachel and Leah

Abraham had Sarah, but slept with Hagar, so when were they married?

So I picked up my Bible and looked up all the passages that have anything to do with marriage (I had help: I used a concordance). I examined the scriptural use of all the words I could think of related to marriage: marriage, marriages, marry, marries, married, wedding, weddings, wed, husband, husbands, wife, and wives.

All told I looked up over 800 references. Exempting the references, which are narrative (e.g. "Adam named his wife Eve" Gen 3:20) or metaphorical (Christ's marriage to the church, Rev 21:9), I was able to distil those 825 verse references into 12 general principles: 12 Biblical "rules" or guidelines regarding marriage, which encompass the gamut of scripture. I hereby present the list, with the applicable references.

12 Biblical Principles of Marriage

1. Marriage consists of one man and one or more women. (Gen 4:19, 4:23, 26:34, 28:9, 29:26-30, 30:26, 31:17, 32:22, 36:2, 36:10, 37:2, Ex. 21:10, Judges 8:30, 1 Sam 1:2, 25:43, 27:3, 30:5, 30:18, 2 Sam 2:2, 3:2-5, 1 Chron 3:1-3, 4:5, 8:8, 14:3, 2 Chron 11:21, 13:21, 24:3).

2. Nothing prevents a man from taking on concubines in addition to the wife or wives he may already have. (Gen 25:6, Judges 8:31, 2 Sam 5:13, 1 Kings 11:3, 1 Chron 3:9, 2 Chron 11:21, Dan 5:2-3).

3. A man might chose any woman he wants for his wife (Gen 6:2, Deut 21:11), provided only that she is not already another man's wife (Lev 18:14-16, Deut. 22:30) or his [half-] sister (Lev 18:11, 20:17), nor the mother (Lev 20:14) or the sister (Lev 18:18) of a woman who is already his wife. The concept of a woman giving her consent to being married is foreign to the Biblical mindset.

4. If a woman cannot be proven to be a virgin at the time of marriage, she shall be stoned. (Deut 22:13-21).

5. A rapist must marry his victim (Ex. 22:16, Deut. 22:28-29) - unless she was already a fianc

[Guest i might be an atheist]

Is there anywhere I can go to discuss believers and the dinosaurs?

Welcome to Worthy!!

Floating Axe, if ever there were such a thing, nice to make your virtual acquaintance. You didn't answer my question, so for now I suppose I shall join the discussion here instead.

Firstly, before I comment on the posts on this board I'd like to say that I'm sure (any) religion is a wonderful thing for those that feel it brings something positive into their lives and I am in no way here to cause conflict, merely to provide a new voice and ask some interesting questions. I am a gay man and an atheist and have been ever since I felt I had matured enough to be conscious of the concepts of sexuality and religion.

I personally think as an active member of the gay community that the arguement in favour of genetic make-up as the reason for sexual orientation is false and will never be proven. I do not see how something purely biological translates into determining ones behaviour. Homosexuality is in my opinion psychological, a behaviour, how one reacts to their own personal experiences, ones self awareness and environment. If the 'condition' were genetic surely we wouldn't have the stark polarisation of the majority of gays in the West, where attitudes tend to be more liberal, and very few in the East, where the attitudes are not quite so liberal. The 'gay gene' would be equally spread among us all would it not since essentially we are all descended from the same thing (be it an Adam and an Eve OR a chimp)?

Now that has been said I have a serious issue and one I would like to bring up here to ask the forum........I am regularly subject to animosity on the part of Christians regarding both my homosexuality and lack of belief in any god. What is the reason for this? Is it 'good Christian behaviour' to tell me that in their eyes that I am wrong with how I choose to live?

It seems absurd to me that even though I respect the way of life of others I am not afforded the same luxury. Is it perhaps a responsibility of theists to mould the attitudes of the minorities to be more in line with their own personal faiths? Why do these people do this? I am also questioned on my morality, however I see morality in much the same way as Wilde and Nietzsche did. That basically, if any morality even exists among us all it is 'merely the attitude one adopts to the people whom one dislikes'. So permit me to be polite to anybody who chooses to cause me offense in their reply and excuse them right now as I type.

It is unfortunate that as a result of all the mis treatment I've had from Christians (by my very own loose moral code of course) that I feel that Christianity in the West is falling behind the changing realities that a 2000 year old doctrine can no longer limit. Infact, it has only taken 100 years here in Europe for our world to have changed so much that religion is falling by the wayside in the daily lives of our populations. I am absolutely in favour of anything that provides happiness and contentment, it is as much as we can all hope for, but isn't it time that Christianity got with the times and allowed us all however different that opportunity? Now we are bound more by individual choices than collective following shouldn't it be explored?

So many questions!!!! So many (evidently) incoherent thoughts!!!! So late at night in England! It's a terribly passionate and intricate subject and I would really appreciate honest debate on any of the issues I've raised. As I've said I'm not here to cause offense, only to learn, I sincerely apologize if I've upset anybody with anything I've said.

Edited April 4, 2007 by i might be an atheist

[Floatingaxe]

1 Corinthians 6:9-20...

We heard all what Jesus said. And none of this was recorded from jesus' mouth. Paul isn't God. And so it isn't Gods word. Definitely Paul interpretation. But not God's word. Paul just wasn't ready. His churches wander confused even during the era when jesus freshly walked the land.

Paul was divinely empowered to speak what God is saying to us! You cannot discount part of God's Word because Jesus didn't say it! GOD DID! If God did, then Jesus sure did.