Witnessing

[Anne]

No worries dood..............I'm just messing with you Take your time and don't panic

[Tribulation]

wonders if dood is hiding

I'm not. Work and time to think through and research my response some is limited. there are some parts of romans and daniel I wanted to review before replying. Lots and Lots todo. My job goes like that sorry, I'll reply asap i hope tomorrow.

That's a pathetic excuse!

Do you not know that me and Anne have been itching for you to reply!?

[Anne]

Trib, listen! Do you hear that, I think dood's coming!

[Anne]

I'm on it dood, but this may take some time, we should never rush into answering something as serious as this without first considering it.

I realise that you will probably be left by the time I get around to posting a reply however, for the sake of those who read the above post, I feel I must attempt to give an answer.

God Bless you dood

I'll miss you

Anne

[Tribulation]

Mmmm... I've lost the point of your argument again dood. I'll wait until Anne replies to see if I can understand it better!

[LadyGunivere]

I've enjoyed this debate when I can follow it.

[Guest dood0909]

I'm on it dood, but this may take some time, we should never rush into answering something as serious as this without first considering it.

I realise that you will probably be left by the time I get around to posting a reply however, for the sake of those who read the above post, I feel I must attempt to give an answer.

God Bless you dood

I'll miss you

Anne

I'm still here, my other account has been banned and i can't get any email to actually delete it lol. i'm not going to leave without saying bye, swapping emails. i'll gladly answer anymore that anyone has to ask, then thats it i'm off.

[LadyGunivere]

awwww dood!

[Anne]

Trib, listen! Do you hear that, I think dood's coming!

Anne I'll quickly reply to you before I'm out. I did say I would. I brought up the tree of good and evil to see what lights would be shed on it. then i brought up hope.

if you agree with the scripture that says we were subject to the tree, be it on purpose or not doesn't matter, and likewise subject to hope. You said it yourself you hope people will get better and have pleasant lives. then everyone in the world has been subjected to the same hope.

this distroy's "One saved always saved" theory along with the only way to heaven and God is by confessing christ is lord or that christ saved us on the cross. yes i'm not saying christ didn't save us on the cross. But if everyone has that hope in which God says we do. Then god must have ordained that very hope before the fall had taken place to begin with so in fact we all did become truely lost but god being of love could not allow it to go on forver. we just had a temporary several thousand year fight with god. why? so we can learn what love truely is. we can experience love instead of just having knowledge of it.

The tree has a purpose, people have their purpose, god has his purpose, evil has it's purpose, christ dying on the cross has it's purpose, all learn, all saved, and all made the choice on their own in either this life or the next todo what is right. to love themselves, to love others and to love god.

i truely would like to see someone prove this otherwise. I have yet to find one. who can.

Okay, this is not in reply to this query but a breaking down of it in an attempt to understand. Sometimes folks questions like this are best understood if we divide it into smaller digestable bits, so let's see if I can make it easier for you to understand, but bare in mind i'm not dood, so I don't know exactly what he was thinking when he wrote the above.

1. Firstly dood said he was trying to see if there was a connection between the tree of knowledge (which we were made subject to) and the hope (which we were made subject to), I think Trib and I would most certainly agree on that.

2. Now, if we were made subject to the tree of knowledge whether through our act of willingness or not, then does it logically follow that we were subjected to hope in the same manner. For example, was the tree of knowledge forced upon us and hope forced upon us in the same manner? Now I have already given my thoughts to dood on this, this is just so his post can be better understood.

3. In light of what scripture says and what I said, dood has now concluded that we are all, every person in the world on a level playing field, ie we have all been subject to the same tree of knowledge (sin) and the hope (Jesus).

4. From this dood has further concluded that if I believe this then it destroys my Once Saved Always Saved belief and there is only one way to Heaven belief, I am unsure why this is concluded by dood, but this is how I am understanding his post. However it does not, now you come back here dood and finish this!!!

5. Here's the cracker of the matter, and if many people are being honest with themselves, it's hard to go through a day or two, without wondering why?...........God having foreknowledge, which He does, why did all this happen? Why put the tree in the garden, why create the devil, why allow us to sin, why subject us to hope in the first place..............in essence why?

If there is any further bits you don't understand trib or Lady G, just let me know, but bear in mind i'm only guessing at what dood is thinking Now dood you get back here, see what you've started now!!!! I have trouble enough keeping up with my own mind, never mind trying to guess what you are thinking.

I'll get back with my reply asap guys,

God Bless

[LadyGunivere]

Anne don't try and think what dood will say you will need more coffee then girl!!!!