Creation Account

[MrsSealedEternal]

So, here "day" does not mean 24-hours, but in Genesis 1 it does? Why?

Why?

Here's some of my reasoning on that~

These verses are more specific about the parameters of the day :

Gen 1:5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Gen 1:8 God called the expanse heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

Gen 1:13 There was evening and there was morning, a third day.

Gen 1:19 There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

Gen 1:23 There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

Gen 1:31 God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

Although more applications of evening and morning may be appropriate, just as in the usage of the word day, in relationship to a time frame, I believe it does indicate 24hrs here. I do not relate this time reference to indicate millions or billions of years.

These verses are not that specific:

Gen 2:17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."

I think I read in a thread somewhere that the Hebraic expression was something to the effect of (concerning: you will surely die) in dying you will die. If that is the case, that puts an interesting understanding to it. I am not saying specifically that it only applies to 24hrs or a thousand years here, but that perhaps both or either senses could apply. We are dead in our trespasses, although physical death has not taken place yet. Anyhow, I think Larry covered that.

I searched for the thread, but was unable to find the thread. My apologies for that.

Here's a link for Answers in Genesis : Answers In Genesis

[nebula]

I guess I just don't find it that hard to accept that the power of God is limitless.

I don't either.

My questions aren't about God but how we interpret Scripture.

[nebula]

Here's a link for Answers in Genesis : Answers In Genesis

I stopped listeneing to answers in Genesis when Idiscovered that most of their arguments are based on "strawmen."

[larryt]

You, and most young Earth Creationist, interpret Romans to say that. I, along with most old Earth Creationist interpret Romans to say otherwise.

As to Daniel. Daniel prayed for the interpretation to the dream. The messenger angel was immediately sent. Daniel did not receive the message from the angel until much later. Why? The "Prince of Persia" had intercepted the messenger angel. By that, you see that Satan and his angels have dominion in the "kosmos," not just the earth. Satan's fall brought death into the universe. Adam's fall brought death to man.

You have two major groups of Christian theologians who believe this. One group holds to the Gap theory. Personally, this is my position. Satan fell from heaven. He polluted creation. He ruled with death and destruction. Then, the literal Genesis creation happened. (a re-creation) The curse was lifted. Adam sinned and the curse returned to the new creation.

The other group basically hold to theistic evoultion, but they also believe that death entered the Earth with the arrival of Satan, not the fall of man.

I know you feel we are compromising on the word of God, but I am not. I used to believe in the 6 literal days of creation model. Bible college classes, (Bible study), led me to change my opinion, not science.

Twelve men went in to spy out the promised land. They all saw the same facts - GIANTS. Ten came back in unbelief. The Giants are too great for us. We can't believe God would give us this land.

Two came back in believing God's word. I doesn't matter how big the Giants are. They will fall before the mighty hand of God.

Paul warned Timothy not to give heed to oppositions of science falsely so called. When science contradicts the bible, science is wrong. Your "Bible college classes" did not teach you to believe the Word of God but to understand it with your carnal mind. Walk by faith and not by sight. Remember the spies.

LT

[larryt]

The flood to which I am referring to is the pre-adamic flood. Not noah's flood. If you can manipulate the modern methods of radiometric dating with a blowtorch, (ie turn u214 into lead), I would like to see it. Some types of dating have large margins of error. Even assuming 50% m.o.e. you still cant turn 6000 years into 4 billion years. Please dont deceive yourself into believing the modern dating methods are highly inacurate. They are quite accurate.

I do not hold OEC to be a law. I hold it as a theory. Likewise, young earth creation is also a theory. It just happens to be a theory with a lot more holes in it than old earth creation. Young earth creation has almost as many holes in it as Darwinian origin of the Species.

YEC is beginning to fall into the same traps as O.S. proponents. They are trying to manipulate hard scientific evidence to fit their viewpoint. If the Bible said "The earth is 6000 years old." I would believe it, no matter what. In my view, however, the Bible says the earth is very, very, old.

Hi hr.jr.,

It is just this type of post that I find hard to respond to. Just what pre-adamic flood are you referring to. If we are to discuss the bible we all have to be on the same page.

With that in mind I would like to look at the Genesis account verse by verse.

Ge 1:1

[larryt]

You, and most young Earth Creationist, interpret Romans to say that. I, along with most old Earth Creationist interpret Romans to say otherwise.

As to Daniel. Daniel prayed for the interpretation to the dream. The messenger angel was immediately sent. Daniel did not receive the message from the angel until much later. Why? The "Prince of Persia" had intercepted the messenger angel. By that, you see that Satan and his angels have dominion in the "kosmos," not just the earth. Satan's fall brought death into the universe. Adam's fall brought death to man.

You have two major groups of Christian theologians who believe this. One group holds to the Gap theory. Personally, this is my position. Satan fell from heaven. He polluted creation. He ruled with death and destruction. Then, the literal Genesis creation happened. (a re-creation) The curse was lifted. Adam sinned and the curse returned to the new creation.

The other group basically hold to theistic evoultion, but they also believe that death entered the Earth with the arrival of Satan, not the fall of man.

I know you feel we are compromising on the word of God, but I am not. I used to believe in the 6 literal days of creation model. Bible college classes, (Bible study), led me to change my opinion, not science.

Twelve men went in to spy out the promised land. They all saw the same facts - GIANTS. Ten came back in unbelief. The Giants are too great for us. We can't believe God would give us this land.

Two came back in believing God's word. I doesn't matter how big the Giants are. They will fall before the mighty hand of God.

Paul warned Timothy not to give heed to oppositions of science falsely so called. When science contradicts the bible, science is wrong. Your "Bible college classes" did not teach you to believe the Word of God but to understand it with your carnal mind. Walk by faith and not by sight. Remember the spies.

LT

Science does not contradict the Bible. The Genesis account is plainly not six literal days. How are day 1, 2, and 3 literal days; considering God did not bring order to the Sun and moon to make day and night until the 4th day?

The facts can be interpreted differently. Remember the spies? I choose to BELIEVE what God has said. He says 6 days, the evening and morning were the ...day, who am I to call Him a liar. Remember there is a difference between believing and understanding.

LT

[MrsSealedEternal]

Just a further thought I have...I would like to add that it says evening and morning consistently throughout the first to sixth creative day, and that this statement did not change with the making of the luminaries, which when I read it, indicates to me that the days most likely fit the 24hrs before these luminaries were created and therefore what we see is that very pattern continued to this very day. For the most part, when indicative of a time parameter, has evening and morning ever been something other than the 24hrs in reliable recorded history? On the fourth day did evening and morning, one day, suddenly become 24 hrs, where as previously it was some other time reference? So far as I am concerned, I see no reason to think it was. I think it adds to the supporting evidence that the evening and morning, one day, fits 24hrs in such case.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Gen 1:2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

Gen 1:3 Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.

Gen 1:4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.

Gen 1:5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Gen 1:6 Then God said, "Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters."

Gen 1:7 God made the expanse, and separated the waters which were below the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so.

Gen 1:8 God called the expanse heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

Gen 1:9 Then God said, "Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear"; and it was so.

Gen 1:10 God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:11 Then God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them"; and it was so.

Gen 1:12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:13 There was evening and there was morning, a third day.

Gen 1:14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years;

Gen 1:15 and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so.

Gen 1:16 God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also.

Gen 1:17 God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth,

Gen 1:18 and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:19 There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

Gen 1:20 Then God said, "Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the heavens."

Gen 1:21 God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:22 God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth."

Gen 1:23 There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

Gen 1:24 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so.

Gen 1:25 God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

Gen 1:27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Gen 1:28 God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

Gen 1:29 Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;

Gen 1:30 and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food"; and it was so.

Gen 1:31 God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

God Bless with much Agape,

Edited August 21, 2006 by MrsSealedEternal

[nebula]

My questions aren't about God but how we interpret Scripture.

So why try interpret something that just is not there?

I really do appreciate your point of view.

However, if you just step back from the debate and read the text for what it says -

Trying to read Gen. 1 as an historical account, as we modern Westerners read and record history -

It just does not make sense!

But if read as a prophetic account, it makes perfect sense!

Try interpreting Genesis 1 the way you interpret Revelation, and see what you come up with.

In prophetic language, "evening and morning" can mean "ending and beginning".

In prophetic language, Gen. 1 tells the Gospel story.

As I said before - God isn't interested in using the Bible to teach us about the Earth but about Him and our relationship to Him.

Trying to understand man's relationship to the Earth through Scripture, as far as I'm concerned, is Gaia* religion.

* aka Asheroth

[MrsSealedEternal]

I suppose when I read Genesis, it is an account of a spiritual and physical creation, so I see a historical and spiritually prophetic understanding in it.

Edited August 21, 2006 by MrsSealedEternal

[MrsSealedEternal]

I understand it to be a literal visible creation and symbolic of deeper invisible things.

God Bless,