Is all disobedience an act of will?

[antz]

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As for Peter, he wasn't forced to do anything. He chose to attack; he chose to say what he did.

That is not his choice!!! How dare you speak to Peter like that... given the choice, Peter will never choose to do that... look at what Peter chose to do...

Luk 22:33 And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death. 34 And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.

You see that... that is what Peter have chosen in his heart... to be with Jesus till death... but out of circumstances he was forced to deny Jesus...

HOW DARE YOU ACUSED PETER OF WILLINGLY DENYING JESUS!!! and now you call me heretic... look in the mirror...

Peter did what he did by choice. Peter did not have to deny Jesus but he chose to do so. If it was not Peter's choice, then Peter would have not been grieved, and Jesus would have had no reason to forgive him.

Sins are choices we make. Just as we choose to do what is right.

Look at the topic... the topic here has something to do with will...

The verse said (not me) Peter's WILLFUL choice is to be with Jesus till death.... but out of circumstances, PETER WERE FORCED TO DENIED JESUS.... HEWAS FORCED... HE IS NOT WILLING TO DENY JESUS.. that is why he grieved... and ask for forgiveness... Because he himself knows that it is NOT HIS WILL to deny Jesus... and he know that sins UNWILLFULLY committed sins can be forgiven...

[antz]

didn't you read my post??? i was dragged because somebody puke at my post.

i didn't mean to taunt around coz that is not my purpose here... realizing that and not doing it again means you did not willfully did it. but if you realize your sin and still willfully do it again and again .....

God doesnt accept excuses. Look at Adam and Eve to see that. They tried to put the blame of their sin on someone else too.

Genesis 3

11 And He said, Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree which I commanded you that you should not eat?

12 And the man said, The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.

13 And the LORD God said to the woman, What is this you have done? And the woman said, The serpent deceived me, and I ate.

And yet God punished them for their sin. You willfully taunted yesterday. Despite repeatedly having that pointed out to you, you continued to taunt. You willfully and maliciously sinned. You are now unsaved per your twisted theology.

I am not making excuses, I am admiting it!!! I sinned unwillingly...

No you sinned willingly. You cannot blame your actions on someone or someone else. That is dishonest (oops, another willful sin!!) that makes TWO willful sins. You are losing ground here, Antz.

I am not blaming anybody... I am stating the fact.. and you are dragging this TOPIC away...

You want to discuss about that.. make another topic...Does Peter willfully denied Jesus???

[RGR]

Look at the topic... the topic here has something to do with will...

The verse said (not me) Peter's WILLFUL choice is to be with Jesus till death.... but out of circumstances, PETER WERE FORCED TO DENIED JESUS.... HEWAS FORCED... HE IS NOT WILLING TO DENY JESUS.. that is why he grieved... and ask for forgiveness... Because he himself knows that it is NOT HIS WILL to deny Jesus... and he know that sins UNWILLFULLY committed sins can be forgiven...

That is some of the worst theology I've heard in a long time!

"Your honor, sir, I didn't want to rob that bank. It wasn't my choice. I was forced to do it!"

[Floatingaxe]

Peter was never forced to say what he did, neither was he forced to chop of that soldier's ear.

[antz]

Now, Geraldine!

It looks like you have time laughing while a question to prove your claim unBiblical is waiting for your answer...

let me post it again... maybe you missed it...

That is precisely the sin John was speaking of--the unforgivable sin.

so now you agree that not all disobedience is an act of will???

Nope!

But you agree that willful sins are deadly after we received the knowledge of the truth as what the Bible say???

Hebrews 10:26For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

[antz]

Peter was never forced to say what he did, neither was he forced to chop of that soldier's ear.

that is just your interpretation.... what verse can you prove that???

[Guest shiloh357]

Look at the topic... the topic here has something to do with will...

The verse said (not me) Peter's WILLFUL choice is to be with Jesus till death.... but out of circumstances, PETER WERE FORCED TO DENIED JESUS.... HEWAS FORCED... HE IS NOT WILLING TO DENY JESUS.. that is why he grieved... and ask for forgiveness... Because he himself knows that it is NOT HIS WILL to deny Jesus... and he know that sins UNWILLFULLY committed sins can be forgiven...

Nothing in the story of Peter's denial says that he was forced. Your argument has no legs to stand on.

Peter bowed to pressure, but it was still his choice. He was afraid, but that was his choice. I cannot abdicate my responsibilities and blame the situation or those around me for the choices I make. It takes a real Christian to have the courage to admit when He has sinned and try to rationalize it away.

You are trying to divide the sins you commit into willful and unwillful. The Bible makes no such dichotomy. You do this in order to reconcile your mixed up, unbiblical doctrine. Anyone can blame their sin on "the moment" or the people around them. No one forces a person to get drunk, or sleep with his neighbor's wife. You are not forced to covet, steal, bear false witness or any other sin. You do them by choice.

Shadrach Meshach and Abednego, chose NOT to bow to Nebadchudnezzar's idol, and chose the furnace instead. They did not bow to fear. The other Israelites bowed to idol. They did so out of fear, but these three Israelites proved that there was another choice. The other Israelites could not blame the Babylonians for their decision to bow. They sinned willfully, and Shadrach Meshach and Abednego chose to stand for God. They proved that you cannot use, "they made me do it" as a justification for your sin, or to make excuses by claiming it was not a willful sin.

I am sorry Antz, but all you are offering is a bunch of empty, lame excuses, and no one here is taking you seriously. You lack the courage and integrity to admit that you have sinned willfully, even when you did it front of our eyes on this board. Frankly, you need to get saved, and give up these false teachings you are spreading. No one is accepting them, and you are wasting your time.

You cannot use situations and peer pressure to justify your sins and remove your guilt. In the end the choice is always yours. There are not excuses.

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[Floatingaxe]

Peter was never forced to say what he did, neither was he forced to chop of that soldier's ear.

that is just your interpretation.... what verse can you prove that???

You find it and you read it for yourself.

[antz]

Peter was never forced to say what he did, neither was he forced to chop of that soldier's ear.

that is just your interpretation.... what verse can you prove that???

You find it and you read it for yourself.

What i found is a Biblical verse that says...

Peter's choice: Luk 22:33 And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death.

Peter's unwillful sin: Luk 22:34 And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.

and how about Post#86??? you'll also just run away with it???

[Pax]

That is precisely the sin John was speaking of--the unforgivable sin.

Axe,

Are you trying to say that if a teenager commits blasphemy but later on in life repents and ask God for forgiveness, he will not forgive that person. If that's the case many people are going to hell. God is a merciful God and no sin is to big for him to forgive. There is a way to come back into the grace of God after committing a deadly sin, there has to be or else 99.9 percent of the world would be going straight to hell. God knew this . This is why the Christ established the Sacrament of Reconciliation to deal will deadly sin and bring us back into communion with Christ.

No--the unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit--One who is so depraved, he will never come around. A total reprobate. Sold out to the devil! This is the person John refers to.

Does John say this? No this is your interpretation. No where in 1 John 5: 16-17 does John say "Blasphemy is the only deadly sin, and there is no way to overcome this deadly sin." You have taken a verse out of the Bible and added what you think it means.