Remarrying after a Divorce....is it forbidden?

[firehill]

There is one leader of the home and that is the LORD. Again read my posts in the thread 'Husband 911, how do we let them leadt the home?'

Here is yet another statement that contradicts scripture. 1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

The OBVIOUS context (vv1-16) is worship NOT homelife or authority structure and the Greek word is in the very least hotly debated.

Christ is the supreme authority. As such, everyone must submit to him. A man does that by obeying his word. Under him is the man. He is the head of the woman, meaning his wife. How does he lead the home? By making the final decisions. That doesn't mean he gives no credence to his wife, nor try to make every decision together when possible, but at an impass, he ultimately makes the final decision. For the husband to be doing right, when there is a difference of opinion between his will and Jesus' will found in scripture, he would have to submit to Biblical authority.

Read my posts in 'husbands 911' in General Discussion because I will not repeat them here in this thread.

If what you claim is true, then parents would have no authority over their children, only Jesus would. As such, they would have to choose to follow him on their own or disobey on their own. The parents couldn't correct them because they wouldn't have the authority to be a leader in the home. Even in the church we have leaders, but they are under Christ's authority.

If my claim what? Bunk. Irrefutably children are commanded to obey both parents as is written in the Law.

[anitarose]

all right....now I'm officially confused....

Am I to remain single? Am I supposed to go back to my abusive homosexual husband? What in the world am I supposed to do here????

You folks are getting into the doctrinal stuff...I'm trying to deal with the reality in my life here. Just leave the doctrine and TELL ME WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DO!!!

Anita

[firehill]

firehill

it is apparent in your double talk here that you do not believe in any type of authority taking greek words and twisting the meaning to make the word of God null and void doesn't help those who are in trouble within their marriages to add further burdens to their lives.

Why don't you prove your accusation stated with such confidence.

To twist and disannul the authorities in the home and in the church is to bring further harm to those in trouble and is to give ungodly advice.

There is one leader of the home and that is the LORD. Again read my posts in the thread 'Husband 911, how do we let them leadt the home?' in General Discussion. How did authority structure within the church come into play here?

...and the word says if you are married to an unbeliever and the unbeliever is happy to stay married to you since you became a Christian do not depart from them and that the husband who is a non-believer can be won over to being a Christian by the chaste conversation of the wife.

Yes, such is biblical.

But in the cases of physical abuse it is a matter of life and death and one should not stay in these cases in my opinion but seperate.

Good point.

The authority came into play because it is found in the word of God the chain of command is in

1 Corinthians 11:3--"But I would have you to know that the head of every man is Christ and the head of the woman is the man and the head of Christ is God."

that is God's chain of authority and it is very plain in scripture to see. the word "head" means authority

God the Father is head of Jesus Christ

Jesus Christ is head of the Man

Man is head of the Woman

OC

Show me then in the Bible where the word 'authority' is written regarding Christ/man, man/woman and God/Christ.

Try to read 11:3 in it's actual context, vv1-16 which is whorship NOT authority structure. Also take note in the passage of the one instance in which the word 'authority' is actualy written and in regards to the woman's own.

Research the earliest lexicons for that mystery meaning also. And if you should ever come across such a source defining kephale as 'authority' re-write some history.

My apologies for getting off topic, OP!

[firehill]

all right....now I'm officially confused....

Am I to remain single? Am I supposed to go back to my abusive homosexual husband? What in the world am I supposed to do here????

You folks are getting into the doctrinal stuff...I'm trying to deal with the reality in my life here. Just leave the doctrine and TELL ME WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DO!!!

Anita

It has already been answered numerous times. As far as I can tell, all agree that if your husband committed adultery on you, that you can re-marry. That would be the case if he was heterosexual or homosexual. Adultery is adultery.

I have agreed with this poster on this ....

I agree also.

[Openly Curious]

firehill

it is apparent in your double talk here that you do not believe in any type of authority taking greek words and twisting the meaning to make the word of God null and void doesn't help those who are in trouble within their marriages to add further burdens to their lives.

Why don't you prove your accusation stated with such confidence.

To twist and disannul the authorities in the home and in the church is to bring further harm to those in trouble and is to give ungodly advice.

There is one leader of the home and that is the LORD. Again read my posts in the thread 'Husband 911, how do we let them leadt the home?' in General Discussion. How did authority structure within the church come into play here?

...and the word says if you are married to an unbeliever and the unbeliever is happy to stay married to you since you became a Christian do not depart from them and that the husband who is a non-believer can be won over to being a Christian by the chaste conversation of the wife.

Yes, such is biblical.

But in the cases of physical abuse it is a matter of life and death and one should not stay in these cases in my opinion but seperate.

Good point.

The authority came into play because it is found in the word of God the chain of command is in

1 Corinthians 11:3--"But I would have you to know that the head of every man is Christ and the head of the woman is the man and the head of Christ is God."

that is God's chain of authority and it is very plain in scripture to see. the word "head" means authority

God the Father is head of Jesus Christ

Jesus Christ is head of the Man

Man is head of the Woman

OC

Show me then in the Bible where the word 'authority' is written regarding Christ/man, man/woman and God/Christ.

Try to read 11:3 in it's actual context, vv1-16 which is whorship NOT authority structure. Also take note in the passage of the one instance in which the word 'authority' is actualy written and in regards to the woman's own.

Research the earliest lexicons for that mystery meaning also. And if you should ever come across such a source defining kephale as 'authority' re-write some history.

My apologies for getting off topic, OP!

firehill

you can deny the chain of authority all you want that is your perogitive to do so.

But if you will get out your greek dictionary and use and look up the word "head" you will find out what it means.

I think I am having to re-write some history back to what it was to start with cause alot of folks seems not to want to fall in line with the chain of authority God has so set in order. I am not less of a person because the man is over me in authority. And a man is no less of a man because Christ is his head

as far as the picture portrayal of marriage goes the man is to portray Christ in the home and as he submit his will to that of the lord's will then the family will follow Christ as he does and he will rule his household well. As far as the women in marriage in her submission to her husband she is a picture of the church that is submissive to the husband which Christ is the head of the church and Christ is submissive to the Father's will.

oc

[Guest drbelitz]

most of the answers I have read here make me very sad, for it shows me how much human thinking and error has infiltrated Christianity. Before Hanry VIII NO ONE divorced in Christianity, and neither did he, it only appeared so.

Christianity NEVER EVER taught that what Jesus said meant that if someone in the marriage committed adultery, the other could remarry.

It was always taught that Christ was speakinf of those who were not validly married(polygamy, mixed marriages etc) which was a problem at the time.

If your husband bashes your face in, sure you can divorce him, but not in the eyes of God, only in the sight of the world. That is if it were a valid marriage to begin with, if it was not vlaid, you were never married to begin with.

[firehill]

There is one leader of the home and that is the LORD. Again read my posts in the thread 'Husband 911, how do we let them leadt the home?'

Here is yet another statement that contradicts scripture. 1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." Christ is the supreme authority. As such, everyone must submit to him. A man does that by obeying his word. Under him is the man. He is the head of the woman, meaning his wife. How does he lead the home? By making the final decisions. That doesn't mean he gives no credence to his wife, nor try to make every decision together when possible, but at an impass, he ultimately makes the final decision. For the husband to be doing right, when there is a difference of opinion between his will and Jesus' will found in scripture, he would have to submit to Biblical authority. If what you claim is true, then parents would have no authority over their children, only Jesus would. As such, they would have to choose to follow him on their own or disobey on their own. The parents couldn't correct them because they wouldn't have the authority to be a leader in the home. Even in the church we have leaders, but they are under Christ's authority.

Firehill, in your last post, you only included a small portion of my answers. I feel that the post in it's entirety answers many of the things you said with regard to such things as my point on parental authority for instance. If Christ is the only leader of the home as you claim, the parents would have no authority. The point is that while Christ is the supreme head of the home, the husband is over the wife and children, and the wife is over the children as well. In other words, they have authority in the home.

As for your other claim about the Greek word for head, where is the dispute? The word simply means head in every instance in the New Testament. There is nothing hard to understand about that. When it speaks here about Christ being the "head" surely you understand that means in authority? The only other meaning would be a physical head of a literal human body, and it cannot mean that. It is obvious it means authority in this instance, even if some people are contesting that.

Obviously I've already made clear to you that children are to obey their parents as is written in the Law. You on the other hand ignore this. Therefore obviously I was saying that amongst 2 married adults (in a home) there is one leader who is the LORD. You have yet to provide just one verse that says the husband is the leader. Just one.

Where is the dispute over 'head'? You cannot provide a source before Constantine that gives 'authority' or 'rule' as the meaning for 'kephale.' The burden lies on you.

[firehill]

Here is my contribution to this thread: If one feels they are being physicaly or even mentaly abused such is grounds for divorce as is unfaithfulness. Afterall, Christ sacrificaly died for his Bride and couldn't conceive of abusing her. In other words generaly speaking divine judgement is against those who would advocate that a spouse MUST stay in such an abusive relationship.

There is nothing in scripture to back up this statement. I have seen this idea thrown around before as though it is a fact, but there is no scriptural support for it.

Why do you put aside the more important things of the Law like justice, love, and mercy? Even Moses permitted a man to divorce a wife because of a hard heart of the man. Yet, you would have a spouse whom is abused endure the abuse of the hard hearted?

That is a perversion of what Jesus said. He made it clear that it was never God's intention that divorce be allowed for any cause but only fornication. In the Old Testament, it said it was permitted for uncleaness and Jesus expounded on the meaning of the law. Hardness of heart refered to the sinfulness of men. I didn't make up the rules, Jesus did. If you have a problem with that, take it up with him.

It is not a perversion of what Jesus said. Such things were neglected by the Pahrisees. I have no problem with what Jesus said. Why resort to Rhetoric? It is a waiste. There is a difference between the spirit and the letter of the law. Cain was a murderer of his brother yet we as christians are specificaly told not to be like him. The Church out of love for the brethern are not to send off it's own to a slaughter (back to an abusive marriage which could result in death - the extreme hand, yes).

NIV

13:10Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

How then could love harm it's own brother or sister?

1 Co.

13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.

13:5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

13:6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.

13:7 IT ALWAYS PROTECTS, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

And what exactly do you mean by "spirit of the law?" Does that mean that if what you believe doesn't fit with something in the Bible, you can claim it is still ok because it is within the "spirit of the law?" The Bible says what it says. I don't believe it gives us such liberties.

Here's an example:

'The immoral act of committing adultery is defined as a sin by the Seventh Commandment (Exodus 20:14). Yet the literal wording of that commandment

[firehill]

Firehill, since you continue to deny their is authority in the home outside of Jesus, I will add these verses as well. Ephesians 5:22-24

22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

To anyone reading this to get the true meaning and not to try to change it to fit a specific agenda, it is obvious that it is saying that the wife is to submit to the husband. The word submit is from the Greek word hupotasso which means to subordinate; refles. to obey: be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be,make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto. As everyone is to be in subjection to the Lord Jesus Christ, wives are to be in subjection to their own husbands. This is plain.

The husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church. The word head in the Greek literally means head. In this instance, it cannot mean a literal physical head as it would make no sense. It therefore has to be in authority, though authority is not in the definition. The head rules over the body. Anyone can logically put that together.

In the same way the church is in subjection to Christ, wives are to be to their own husbands. The word subjection is from the Greek word hupotage which means subordination. As the church is to be subordinate to Christ, wives are subordinate to their own husbands. Do you have someone disputing the meaning of these Greek words as well?

I've already answered how a husband leads his home. He attempts to make decisions with his wife. When they are at an impass, he ultimately has the last say. There is nothing tough to figure out here. If the man is being led by Christ, he is obeying the Bible, because it is Jesus' written word.

You must have missed this post Firehill.

In the Greek in v.22 the word for 'sumbit' does not exist because it is borrowed from v.21 which binds all christians to submit to eachother. That means husbands to wives. There is a thread on the meaning of this Greek word. You should have a look at it.

[firehill]

Let me also add this. The Bible clearly does say children are to obey their parents just as wives are to submit to their husbands. I wonder how long it will be before some expert comes up with a new Greek definition for words indicating parental headship over their children and make it null and void?

Interesting though that the Bible never says that parents are the 'head' of their children.