Jesus-myth or "copycat savior" myth refuted.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

I already answered that. Jesus was a very smart Man who understood compassion and social interaction principles that are of the pinnacle of our wisdom.

Did you miss it?

Yes, apparently. However it does explain a whole lot.

Could a man who understood compassion, was wise, and also very smart be counted upon if he were a liar? Much worse the greatest liar who ever lived.

How compassionate would he really be?

If just one of His principles were based upon a lie. Would He be worthy of quoting or much less even trying to follow? How about losing ones life over?

Peace,

Dave

[Floatingaxe]

You know, khalou, after all you have said here about you having known the Lord for 40 years, I just don't believe it. I have know Jesus Christ for 44 years, and I have had a growing relationship, not without trials, but all with Him and His sustaining. When you are truly His, you grow up in Him. When you allow doubt, and bitterness and anger to fester, you tend to become limp and ineffective and even dry up spiritually. You walk in disobedience, and God takes His hand off you.

Why have you not grown? Is it because you have allowed doubt to steal the truth you had? Have you allowed bitterness to poison your sweetness with Jesus? Or did you merely have a mental assent to Christ, mistakenly believing you were a believer?

Anyone who says they were a Christian but aren't now---was never a truly committed believer. They have NEVER tasted of the sweetness of the Lord, for they would NEVER have abandoned Him. Once you know Jesus personally, you cannot deny Him.

It wasn't doubt that led me to believe that Christianity isn't healthy. It was absolute faith in it. Absolute faith in Christianity is not good for human beings mentally, spiritually, or emotionally. The only way it doesn't negatively effect a person is if they have a wishy-washy faith that allows them to be "reasonable" about it and pick and choose what they will take seriously.

I haven't seen any evidence on this board that Faith in Christ isn't what each of you have decided it is according to your own sensibilities. I predict you will all be Christians for the rest of your lives as a result. After all, Christianity is easy when it's on your own terms.

I couldn't just halfway live that life- not if I truly believed it was the truth. Anything less than 100% commitment might as well be called Christianity Lite.

k

100% submission is what it's about. We die to self daily, taking up our Cross and following Jesus! He deserves it all! We are desperate without Him. In so doing, we also have wonderful freedom! Freedom from the pull of sin.

These terms are not ours---they are His! Laying down our own wills, we take up the cause of Christ. What an honour and a blessing. I have eternal life with Him as His promise to me.

I don't understand.

That's what I said. What is your point?

k

Why can't you submit to Christ, khalou? What was your point? "Absolute faith" is detrimental to us, yet wishy-washy faith is good? Very silly notions, indeed.

[khalou]

Grace to you,

I already answered that. Jesus was a very smart Man who understood compassion and social interaction principles that are of the pinnacle of our wisdom.

Did you miss it?

Yes, apparently. However it does explain a whole lot.

Could a man who understood compassion, was wise, and also very smart be counted upon if he were a liar? Much worse the greatest liar who ever lived.

How compassionate would he really be?

If just one of His principles were based upon a lie. Would He be worthy of quoting or much less even trying to follow? How about losing ones life over?

Peace,

Dave

I'm quite convinced that His Divinity was not established during His lifetime. It started with Paul, who was trying to make Him out to be a Pagan Mystery god, and then the Gospel writers added details and sayings of Jesus to reinforce this belief.

k

[redeemed098]

Khalou,

Where has God vanished to...?

Can you think of any reason why he might have left you..?

Regards,

Ben.

[khalou]

You know, khalou, after all you have said here about you having known the Lord for 40 years, I just don't believe it. I have know Jesus Christ for 44 years, and I have had a growing relationship, not without trials, but all with Him and His sustaining. When you are truly His, you grow up in Him. When you allow doubt, and bitterness and anger to fester, you tend to become limp and ineffective and even dry up spiritually. You walk in disobedience, and God takes His hand off you.

Why have you not grown? Is it because you have allowed doubt to steal the truth you had? Have you allowed bitterness to poison your sweetness with Jesus? Or did you merely have a mental assent to Christ, mistakenly believing you were a believer?

Anyone who says they were a Christian but aren't now---was never a truly committed believer. They have NEVER tasted of the sweetness of the Lord, for they would NEVER have abandoned Him. Once you know Jesus personally, you cannot deny Him.

It wasn't doubt that led me to believe that Christianity isn't healthy. It was absolute faith in it. Absolute faith in Christianity is not good for human beings mentally, spiritually, or emotionally. The only way it doesn't negatively effect a person is if they have a wishy-washy faith that allows them to be "reasonable" about it and pick and choose what they will take seriously.

I haven't seen any evidence on this board that Faith in Christ isn't what each of you have decided it is according to your own sensibilities. I predict you will all be Christians for the rest of your lives as a result. After all, Christianity is easy when it's on your own terms.

I couldn't just halfway live that life- not if I truly believed it was the truth. Anything less than 100% commitment might as well be called Christianity Lite.

k

100% submission is what it's about. We die to self daily, taking up our Cross and following Jesus! He deserves it all! We are desperate without Him. In so doing, we also have wonderful freedom! Freedom from the pull of sin.

These terms are not ours---they are His! Laying down our own wills, we take up the cause of Christ. What an honour and a blessing. I have eternal life with Him as His promise to me.

I don't understand.

That's what I said. What is your point?

k

Why can't you submit to Christ, khalou? What was your point? "Absolute faith" is detrimental to us, yet wishy-washy faith is good? Very silly notions, indeed.

Not what I said.

I said that if one is a Christian, then there should be absolute faith. Where did I say that wishy-washy faith is actually "good"? It is beneficial to the individual because one gets to pretend that everything they believe is true, no matter how they live, but I couldn't do that. If Christianity is true, then this life is but the wink of an eye. Should I live in a house with two cars and a bank account with thousands of dollars in it and go on vacation to exotic places every year?

I live in Southern California. I've never been to Hawaii, nor even San Francisco. I've never even been to Las Vegas. Why? Because this life is but the wink of an eye and eternity in Heaven is my destination. I once found myself in possession of two cars. I immediately gave one away to a guy that didn't have one. Whenever I found myself with more than I needed, I gave away the excess.

I once had a tyrant for a boss. He was eventually sued and fired for his tyrannical behavior. I never judged him and did exactly as he instructed because God had placed him there. I was rewarded in that, when he was gone, God placed me there. I believed that he was placed there to test us all in order to find out who would be the most faithful leader. The job is much more difficult, but this life is but the wink of an eye.

Yet, I am surrounded by Christians who have two or three cars, go on vacation more than once a year spending thousands of dollars on their own comfort, and for what? Memories and photographs of an earthly paradise? They regularly judge others who are of lesser status than they, and talk about their shrewdness in investments and their possessions.

I'm reminded of Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane where the Disciples couldn't even stay awake for the wink of an eye.

I knew that these Christians were saved because they claimed Jesus as their Savior, but wondered about the cognitive dissonance they exhibited in their personal relationship with the world.

k

[khalou]

Khalou,

Where has God vanished to...?

Can you think of any reason why he might have left you..?

Regards,

Ben.

Look at it this way-

I'm sure you've noticed that your God knows you intimately. I'm sure you've noticed that everything about your God is exactly what you'd expect it to be. Even in your personal revelations about God, they always seem absolutely and perfectly sensible to you. God knows everything about you, and loves you anyways, right?

Some of the things about your God remain a mystery to you, but there are other Christians who seem to know exactly the answers to these mysteries. When God speaks to you on these subjects, you know that He understands your difference of opinion with these people, and loves you anyways because He knows your heart.

There is another entity that would fit this description absolutely perfectly. It is your own mind.

I believe that God was always the extension of my own mind, my own sensibilities to my own understanding of the Bible. That's why He always understood me so well. That's why my interpretation of whatever He did in my life made perfect sense to me. Whatever circumstances might occur, I could always find the reason. He was teaching me something, He was preparing me for this or that. Whatever answer He gave me made perfect sense to me.

It was because it was me all along that was interpreting His behavior and the circumstances of my life.

I guess He didn't really disappear- I simply finally recognized who He'd always been.

k

[Guest peanutsandcrackers]

I really don't feel it's money promotion that is at the root!

I simply feel that the atheist mind drives them to search

out others that have similar thoughts. The more people

they get to agree with them the more they feel they must

be right. And if they can cause a Christian to stumble then

the atheist feels triumphant.

Like someone has stated this has been going on and will

continue to go on till the end time.

Why would a atheist care one way or another if God exists

hmm simple if they are wrong then they are going to hell

and misery loves company!

Is God forcing the atheist to come to Him, no ofcourse not!

Are Christians forcing atheist to turn to God , ofcourse not!

So let them write their books all they want and make their

movies in the end God will have final judgement on them!

God Bless!

What, may I ask, is wrong with atheists? We lead moral lives too, you know. Just because we don't follow someone else's rules doesn't mean we're not good people. Get over yourselves man.

[Joshua-777]

http://biblia.com/jesusbible/prophecies.htm

http://www.bibleprobe.com/300great.htm

http://www.whoisjesus.org/english/resource...h19/default.htm

Hmm concidering there where a total of 1,093 prophecies fufilled in Christ, and the whole old testiment points to the new, Jesus mith,.... Yeah some people lack common sence, Now even historians who dont believe claim that he existed, And there is more evidence that he existed than any other historical document. Check out this site.

[khalou]

http://biblia.com/jesusbible/prophecies.htm

http://www.bibleprobe.com/300great.htm

http://www.whoisjesus.org/english/resource...h19/default.htm

Hmm concidering there where a total of 1,093 prophecies fufilled in Christ, and the whole old testiment points to the new, Jesus mith,.... Yeah some people lack common sence, Now even historians who dont believe claim that he existed, And there is more evidence that he existed than any other historical document. Check out this site.

Ah. 1,093 prophecies in the OT about Christ?

I suppose that means that all those who believe in the OT also believe in Christ.

They don't?

Gee, I wonder how that happened?

k

[Floatingaxe]

Why can't you submit to Christ, khalou? What was your point? "Absolute faith" is detrimental to us, yet wishy-washy faith is good? Very silly notions, indeed.

He can't submit to Christ because he believes that Jesus got eaten by maggots a long time ago and has long since been used as food for plants. Can't you understand that there are people who don't reject your god but simply don't believe it exists?

Jesus rose from the dead--there is no body here! Believing otherwise is foolishness. There were hundreds of eye-witnesses to His resurrection.

Of course I understand people refuse to believe God exists, but that doesn't make it so. He exists and you will find out one day, hopefully before you die. What a monumental error you make in disbelieving! It has forever attached to the consequences.